https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cmm3v9ny78eoPaa wrote: ↑25 Apr 2024, 19:41This is what I was thinking about. A calibre of Newey has to have a long gardening leave. If he starts to work for an other team in 2027, he can have a meaningful effect on the 2028 car. They will be well into the new regulations by then. He could also not work on the new regulations for Red Bull in 2025. So he would miss his probably last chance to work on a car during a big regulation change (which is the most exciting part - by his words).organic wrote: ↑25 Apr 2024, 18:57This part gives me some shred of cope
Craig Slater
His contractual situation is that he has contracted at Red Bull Racing until the end of 2025 and as I understand it would have to serve another year of gardening leave where Red Bull to holds him to the full extent of his contract which would mean he would not be able to work work for another Formula 1 team until 2027."
"Red Bull are also unaware as I understand it of any formal approach from another Formula 1 team to Adrian Newey and the one or two individuals I've spoken to close to Newey have expressed to me that if he is seriously considering leaving, he has not made up his mind what future direction his career should take."
If he left to an other team he should have moved either earlier or later, but this would be really bad timing.
It is not impossible that if he leaves he will just retire from autosport and go designing sailing boats or something.
Newey’s contract with Red Bull lasts until the end of 2025 but he is said to believe he can negotiate an exit that allows him to work with another team from next season.
I'd say it happened when Mateschitz died.AR3-GP wrote: ↑25 Apr 2024, 20:16Interesting news today. Adrian Newey is of course very valuable, but I don't think this news is actually the turning point for Red Bull. There's a turning point, but it started long before horner-gate, and long before any power struggle between Horner and Marko. It started when they decided to build their own power unit.
Red Bull will likely continue to be competitive through 2025 even without Newy. With ever smaller performance margins in 2025, Verstappen himself will make enough difference. Even at equal odds to Ferrari, the Leclerc-Hamilton infighting will benefit Verstappen in the championship.
From 2026 onwards, I have long believed that Red Bull's power unit would be their downfall. It wouldn't matter whether Newey was with the team or not. They cannot win championships with a bad PU as we saw in the past.
Of course, if Red Bull actually manage to build a competitive power unit for 2026, then Newey's absence may be decisive and one could begin to lament it, but since I never believed that they would, I don't see his departure being the decisive element. There's enough momentum to still win in 2025, but they were always going to fall because of their PU not Newey.
For those teams likely to have a competitive PU in 2026 (Honda, Merc, Ferrari), acquiring Newey's services may prove to be decisive.
There's literally zero evidence or anything that Red Bulls power unit will be bad. The building is full of Mercedes and Honda engineers. Horner bringing up the low power issues a year ago turned out to be vindicated by F1's own tests. If anything , it shows that Red Bull is the furthest ahead.AR3-GP wrote: ↑25 Apr 2024, 20:16Interesting news today. Adrian Newey is of course very valuable, but I don't think this news is actually the turning point for Red Bull. There's a turning point, but it started long before horner-gate, and long before any power struggle between Horner and Marko. It started when they decided to build their own power unit.
Red Bull will likely continue to be competitive through 2025 even without Newy. With ever smaller performance margins in 2025, Verstappen himself will make enough difference. Even at equal odds to Ferrari, the Leclerc-Hamilton infighting will benefit Verstappen in the championship.
From 2026 onwards, I have long believed that Red Bull's power unit would be their downfall. It wouldn't matter whether Newey was with the team or not. They cannot win championships with a bad PU as we saw in the past.
Of course, if Red Bull actually manage to build a competitive power unit for 2026, then Newey's absence may be decisive and one could begin to lament it, but since I never believed that they would, I don't see his departure being the decisive element. There's enough momentum to still win in 2025, but they were always going to fall because of their PU not Newey.
For those teams likely to have a competitive PU in 2026 (Honda, Merc, Ferrari), acquiring Newey's services may prove to be decisive.
I also was one of the first people to say" they've hired XYZ engineers from team ABC so it will be fine" but no longer think it is that simple. Having a bunch of people in the room and having them actually work together effectively is quite a task. There's so much to build up in terms of procedures, communication, making sure people are deployed in their strengths, and so on. When a large number of people are coming from different organizations, it can be difficult for ideas to blend. Everyone does something differently (software, etc).TeamKoolGreen wrote: ↑25 Apr 2024, 21:21There's literally zero evidence or anything that Red Bulls power unit will be bad. The building is full of Mercedes and Honda engineers. Horner bringing up the low power issues a year ago turned out to be vindicated by F1's own tests. If anything , it shows that Red Bull is the furthest ahead.AR3-GP wrote: ↑25 Apr 2024, 20:16Interesting news today. Adrian Newey is of course very valuable, but I don't think this news is actually the turning point for Red Bull. There's a turning point, but it started long before horner-gate, and long before any power struggle between Horner and Marko. It started when they decided to build their own power unit.
Red Bull will likely continue to be competitive through 2025 even without Newy. With ever smaller performance margins in 2025, Verstappen himself will make enough difference. Even at equal odds to Ferrari, the Leclerc-Hamilton infighting will benefit Verstappen in the championship.
From 2026 onwards, I have long believed that Red Bull's power unit would be their downfall. It wouldn't matter whether Newey was with the team or not. They cannot win championships with a bad PU as we saw in the past.
Of course, if Red Bull actually manage to build a competitive power unit for 2026, then Newey's absence may be decisive and one could begin to lament it, but since I never believed that they would, I don't see his departure being the decisive element. There's enough momentum to still win in 2025, but they were always going to fall because of their PU not Newey.
For those teams likely to have a competitive PU in 2026 (Honda, Merc, Ferrari), acquiring Newey's services may prove to be decisive.
The whole narrative is based around fizzy drinks company can't build engines. That was the same nonsense we heard about the chassis.
I wouldn't say it is impossible, but I think that still "Red Bull - Newey" is much stronger than current Merc.
It looks feasible if Newey goes that Max would as well.
The PU's are already on the dyno's, the manufacturers will have a fair idea of where they stand. I think Horners calls for tweaks to the PU regulations for 2026 were rejected. I think Red Bull will eventually produce a quality PU, but getting that right off the bat in 2026? That's a tall order.
They can't have anything in WT/CFD until the beginning of 2025 iircMansell89 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2024, 22:41Unbelievable really to see Red Bull imploding having fought tooth and nail to get back to the top.
It is interesting if Newey joins another team- as that ‘could’ suggest he isn’t confident in the PU, however perhaps he’s had his chapter here and he’s fed up of the BS egos. Perhaps he takes a break for a while before considering if there’s one more project he wants.
I felt at the time when Hamilton pulled the trigger and went to Ferrari that he’s been tipped off - whether it’s the Newey factor or the PU or simply the Red Romance factor only time will tell.
How far along will development be on 2025 cars now?