2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[chrisc90]

Interesting find from a poster over on Autosport about one of the insiders he knows who visits the Verstappen forum.

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2259 ... p=10574866

Ultimately, I think this will be the way Adrian will end up going. Taking a role at another team would be a good few more years in the making, probably even rushing towards the 2026 regulations and probably only getting to hand with the 2027 years (which might end up being 2028 if you work on the 2 year cycle some teams have).

[Wouter]

Interesting find from a poster over on Autosport about one of the insiders he knows who visits the Verstappen forum.

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2259 ... p=10574866

Ultimately, I think this will be the way Adrian will end up going. Taking a role at another team would be a good few more years in the making, probably even rushing towards the 2026 regulations and probably only getting to hand with the 2027 years (which might end up being 2028 if you work on the 2 year cycle some teams have).

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He posted also this :

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2252 ... ry10574884

[organic]

Interesting find from a poster over on Autosport about one of the insiders he knows who visits the Verstappen forum.

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2259 ... p=10574866

Ultimately, I think this will be the way Adrian will end up going. Taking a role at another team would be a good few more years in the making, probably even rushing towards the 2026 regulations and probably only getting to hand with the 2027 years (which might end up being 2028 if you work on the 2 year cycle some teams have).

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He posted also this :

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2252 ... ry10574884

So it sounds like the engine won't be competitive and Verstappen/Marko/Newey are all now aware of this.

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Toto has now taken a very remarkable step in a final attempt to entice Max to leave Red Bull.

Team Verstappen has been given full insight into Mercedes' engine development for the 2026 season. This without certainty that Max will sign!!

They once did something like that with Lewis to lure him to Mercedes from McLaren. But that was much shorter than the transfer itself from Hamilton at the time.

And he only received information. Team Verstappen itself has been given access to all that information.

Verstappen obviously knows the state of development at RB powertrains regarding the new engine. And to make the party complete:

Marko knows about that.Was informed by team Verstappen. Not Horner. Just put all of Marko's recent statements in this perspective."



After someone asked a question:



"It was not about a Power Point presentation (engine). Obviously I don't have Max's contract. But I do understand that in addition to the Marko-like clauses,

it also contains engine performance clauses.

Team Verstappen no longer wants to end up in the Renault years of situations. I can tell you that our Raymond Vermeulen is the Newey of negotiations and contracts."

[ringo]

All of this Newey has to go to gardening leave, comes after Horner said that due to the bike accident the team had to do without him and stepped up as newey also spends time doing other stuff besides f1, going in and out from f1 as Horner said.

And with 2026 being a new rule change... What exactly is he going to take?

To me this non compete doesn't look that strong either way.

So in a nut shell. Newey can leave and start working for another team, and the other team pay off redbull for the inconvenience?

[Wouter]

So it sounds like the engine won't be competitive and Verstappen/Marko/Newey are all now aware of this.

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I read it more as that they do not yet know whether the engine will be as good as the Mercedes engine, which will apparently
be good/better, but Max's first requirement is a winning car and the question is whether Mercedes will already have one next year, probably not.
The conversation in Miami is about a contract for 2025. The new engine is for 2026.

[ME4ME]

So it sounds like the engine won't be competitive and Verstappen/Marko/Newey are all now aware of this.

What is written is that Verstappen now knows "B" while he obviously already knew "A". There is no implication that either A<B or vice versa.

This is Toto playing the only card he can play. Hoping it trumps his opponents'.

[CjC]

Interesting find from a poster over on Autosport about one of the insiders he knows who visits the Verstappen forum.

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2259 ... p=10574866

Ultimately, I think this will be the way Adrian will end up going. Taking a role at another team would be a good few more years in the making, probably even rushing towards the 2026 regulations and probably only getting to hand with the 2027 years (which might end up being 2028 if you work on the 2 year cycle some teams have).

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He posted also this :

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2252 ... ry10574884

If this is true about him seeing Mercs figures and Verstappen is allowed to see the final numbers for the RB powertrain, if he switches to Mercedes then it would quite telling about the RB PT.

[chrisc90]

Interesting find from a poster over on Autosport about one of the insiders he knows who visits the Verstappen forum.

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2259 ... p=10574866

Ultimately, I think this will be the way Adrian will end up going. Taking a role at another team would be a good few more years in the making, probably even rushing towards the 2026 regulations and probably only getting to hand with the 2027 years (which might end up being 2028 if you work on the 2 year cycle some teams have).

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He posted also this :

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2252 ... ry10574884

If this is true about him seeing Mercs figures and Verstappen is allowed to see the final numbers for the RB powertrain, if he switches to Mercedes then it would quite telling about the RB PT.

Or Max/RBR is being cunning and sending Max off for some 'talks' so Max can get a little more knowledge of how their new engine is doing?

Its all that Toto/Mercedes has to offer at the minute.

Although I wouldn't put it past them to over inflate the figures in order to try and 'impress' Verstappen.

RBPT could be 1/2second a lap slower than Mercedes PU, but I dare bet the RB car would still work MUCH better on track.

[Wouter]

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He posted also this :

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2252 ... ry10574884

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If this is true about him seeing Mercs figures and Verstappen is allowed to see the final numbers for the RB powertrain, if he switches to Mercedes then it would quite telling about the RB PT.

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That doesn't has to be the case. Maybe they will be equaly strong.
You're forgetting a very important point. Max wants peace in his team and that is not there
and probably will not come as long as Yoovidhya and Horner are in charge.

[TeamKoolGreen]

So it sounds like the engine won't be competitive and Verstappen/Marko/Newey are all now aware of this.

That's complete nonsense. Newey hates the new regs. He has always hated the hybrids. It has nothing to do with the RB unit.

How could Red Bull possibly know how its power units stack up against higher secretive power units from the competition ?

[TeamKoolGreen]

Interesting find from a poster over on Autosport about one of the insiders he knows who visits the Verstappen forum.

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2259 ... p=10574866

Ultimately, I think this will be the way Adrian will end up going. Taking a role at another team would be a good few more years in the making, probably even rushing towards the 2026 regulations and probably only getting to hand with the 2027 years (which might end up being 2028 if you work on the 2 year cycle some teams have).

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He posted also this :

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2252 ... ry10574884

If this is true about him seeing Mercs figures and Verstappen is allowed to see the final numbers for the RB powertrain, if he switches to Mercedes then it would quite telling about the RB PT.

This is not like 2014. We aren't going from conventional V8's to hybrids. It is just scaled down hybrids of the same style. So there isn't going to be nearly the same variance between power units. As if drivers can verify what horsepower numbers teams are putting infront of them anyway.

[Wouter]

So it sounds like the engine won't be competitive and Verstappen/Marko/Newey are all now aware of this.

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That's complete nonsense. Newey hates the new regs. He has always hated the hybrids. It has nothing to do with the RB unit.

How could Red Bull possibly know how its power units stack up against higher secretive power units from the competition ?

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I didn't write that what you quoted.

[Paa]

Hamilton has much more inside info about Merc and he just signaled that he doesn't believe they would have a realistic chance winning the WDC in near future.
He wouldn't have left if he saw good vibes for 2026.

[Watto]

Hamilton has much more inside info about Merc and he just signaled that he doesn't believe they would have a realistic chance winning the WDC in near future.
He wouldn't have left if he saw good vibes for 2026.

I guess unless Hamilton wasn't confident Mercedes would offer him a contract in 26? If he felt they were really set on Antonelli - but it is an interesting counter point

[Watto]

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He posted also this :

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2252 ... ry10574884

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If this is true about him seeing Mercs figures and Verstappen is allowed to see the final numbers for the RB powertrain, if he switches to Mercedes then it would quite telling about the RB PT.

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That doesn't has to be the case. Maybe they will be equaly strong.
You're forgetting a very important point. Max wants peace in his team and that is not there
and probably will not come as long as Yoovidhya and Horner are in charge.

That one is a doubled edged sword though If Marko and Mintzlaff were to go you could argue there would be peace too - Verstappen dad too a few times has publicly thrown fuel on the fire - not saying Horner and Yoovidhya aren't causing some of the problems because clearly they are - did Horner know about the out clause in Max's contract re if Marko leaves etc? - they whole dynamics of the team changed post Dietrich passing where there wasn't the passion for F1 he had where its almost a business decision for RBGmbH its a far more complex story than just blaming one side/person.