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zoroastar wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 02:09
diffuser wrote:
29 Apr 2024, 09:30
zoroastar wrote:
29 Apr 2024, 07:49


you do know that newey personally designed the redbull suspension for these regs dont you? likely because he knew that it was going to be extremely important with the ground effect rules/ porpoising etc... aston should be doing everything they can to get him. if there is anything like a silver bullet in F1, he would be it. people can downplay his worth all they want, but whoever gets him will probably be winning when they get him, as long their 2026 PU is up to snuff. mercedes huge engine advantage from 2014 is the only reason they were able to win so much in the previous regs. once redbull got an equal engine, it was just a matter of time. if neweys head is in it, his team will be at or near the top. id put my money on it
I have no idea what he designed but he's primarily known as a aerodynamacist. They don't usually design suspensions. Maybe have input of the placement and shape of exposed suspension parts is more likely.

Remember he's a top level Guy and there is probably a Suspension designers team at RBR racing. He can over see that if he wants but they are probably 2 layers below him (something like Newey -> TP -> Suspension Head -> Designers team).
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/red- ... y-secrets/

ive seen it talked about in several places but this is a short interview where he discusses designing the front and rear suspensions of the rb18 because of the importance under these regs. but he also talks about the great help he has at redbull. so of course its not all him
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It seems no Newey in Aston Martin.
I hope Honda will build a super PU to fight that monstrous Ferrari

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AMR appealed the penalty with Sainz. Hearing on Friday
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 16:24
AMR appealed the penalty with Sainz. Hearing on Friday
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Many may not know this, but Newey always thanked Honda for the freedom they gave him regarding the chassis and engine. Something that did not happen with other PU brands.
Newey is usually very picky about packaging. (the president of Honda recently spoke about this).
I think that working with Honda again is a plus.

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abhi1200 wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 20:15
chrisc90 wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 16:24
AMR appealed the penalty with Sainz. Hearing on Friday
https://i.ibb.co/6Rcgg2X/20240430-234312.jpg
Basically will get thrown out as there is unlikely to be any 'new' evidence that wasn't there at the time.

Stewards throwing it out because they know they made some shocking decisions and don't want to look incompetent.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 20:41
abhi1200 wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 20:15
chrisc90 wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 16:24
AMR appealed the penalty with Sainz. Hearing on Friday
https://i.ibb.co/6Rcgg2X/20240430-234312.jpg
Basically will get thrown out as there is unlikely to be any 'new' evidence that wasn't there at the time.

Stewards throwing it out because they know they made some shocking decisions and don't want to look incompetent.
They wouldn't be appealing if they didn't.

After the previous penalty , the incident with Russell, they said they didn't appeal cause they had no new evidence. so if they are appealing this time, it cause they have new evidence.

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Kamel wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 14:23
It seems no Newey in Aston Martin.
I hope Honda will build a super PU to fight that monstrous Ferrari
We can already say we lost to Newey at Ferrari

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diffuser wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 20:46
chrisc90 wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 20:41
Basically will get thrown out as there is unlikely to be any 'new' evidence that wasn't there at the time.

Stewards throwing it out because they know they made some shocking decisions and don't want to look incompetent.
They wouldn't be appealing if they didn't.

After the previous penalty , the incident with Russell, they said they didn't appeal cause they had no new evidence. so if they are appealing this time, it cause they have new evidence.
We've seen it before though. Stewards throwing it out because they dont consider it as new evidence.

IMHO, was a silly and harsh penalty. Especially the grid drop for the next race
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 20:41
abhi1200 wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 20:15
chrisc90 wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 16:24
AMR appealed the penalty with Sainz. Hearing on Friday
https://i.ibb.co/6Rcgg2X/20240430-234312.jpg
Basically will get thrown out as there is unlikely to be any 'new' evidence that wasn't there at the time.

Stewards throwing it out because they know they made some shocking decisions and don't want to look incompetent.
Nothing shocking happened in that decision.

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This is a car, behind on the inside, understeering into a car on the outside. It's a penalty any day of the week.

They maybe want to discuss the penalty points on the license, but there's no way whatsoever that this will be overturned.

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dialtone wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 21:45
chrisc90 wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 20:41
Basically will get thrown out as there is unlikely to be any 'new' evidence that wasn't there at the time.

Stewards throwing it out because they know they made some shocking decisions and don't want to look incompetent.
Nothing shocking happened in that decision.

https://i.imgur.com/5ldRCrZ.png

This is a car, behind on the inside, understeering into a car on the outside. It's a penalty any day of the week.

They maybe want to discuss the penalty points on the license, but there's no way whatsoever that this will be overturned.
Maybe they have proof that his tire had already had lost some pressure and resulted in him going wide... in other words , the puncture occurred before the incident.

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dialtone wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 21:45
chrisc90 wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 20:41
Basically will get thrown out as there is unlikely to be any 'new' evidence that wasn't there at the time.

Stewards throwing it out because they know they made some shocking decisions and don't want to look incompetent.
Nothing shocking happened in that decision.

https://i.imgur.com/5ldRCrZ.png

This is a car, behind on the inside, understeering into a car on the outside. It's a penalty any day of the week.

They maybe want to discuss the penalty points on the license, but there's no way whatsoever that this will be overturned.
Oh my, that’s simply your favorite or your only topic to talk about? Guess we all know your thoughts about it. But please, keep going on. Interestingly though in the Race channel on youtube they talked about how the modified or are going to modify penalties for exact those situations and came to the conclusion, that exactly such a situation wouldn’t be deemed as penalisable.

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xReVo wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 20:53
Kamel wrote:
30 Apr 2024, 14:23
It seems no Newey in Aston Martin.
I hope Honda will build a super PU to fight that monstrous Ferrari
We can already say we lost to Newey at Ferrari
Aston dont do everything inhouse so that limits Newey and can cause frustration for his creativity. They depend on Mercedes for engine and gearbox.
If Newey wants pull-twist slinky rod suspension on the rear, he wont be able to get it on the car if Aston doesnt make their own gearbox or engine.
There are too many supplier and business structure limitations with Aston. ( Unless they are building their own geabox in 2026)
Whereas with Ferrari, they make everything themselves and have full freedom to influence the whole car.
For Sure!!