2024 Miami Grand Prix - Miami Intl. Autodrome, May 03 - 05

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Re: 2024 Miami Grand Prix - Miami Intl. Autodrome, May 03 - 05

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I suspect there's been some unexpected change to the track surface recently.

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search wrote:
05 May 2024, 07:34
scuderiabrandon wrote:
05 May 2024, 03:48
Anyone have the tyre allocation for the race? I hate how long Pirelli take to release the infographic for it.
it's in the F1.com strategy guide:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... JIHyNcDMnE

-> with tire age additions by myself:

https://i.imgur.com/UmfZ1XX.png
Those with two H are fully covered for any random safety car event that might change it from a 1 stop to a 2 stop race. All except both Mercedes and Ricciardo have atleast one M new and one M used. Expecting RUS, HAM, RIC to start on softs and offset everyone with new H before lap10. Having two H means no need to 'manage' , can push like a madman.

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Sevach wrote:
05 May 2024, 01:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z65r1A ... =Scenario8

I find it interesting that Leclerc isn't doing his "throttle thing" around this track.
So Max got the pole by avoiding kerbs in T16 and T17 and getting earlier on the throttle, it's also clear when comparing telemetry traces
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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venkyhere wrote:
05 May 2024, 09:02
search wrote:
05 May 2024, 07:34
scuderiabrandon wrote:
05 May 2024, 03:48
Anyone have the tyre allocation for the race? I hate how long Pirelli take to release the infographic for it.
it's in the F1.com strategy guide:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... JIHyNcDMnE

-> with tire age additions by myself:

https://i.imgur.com/UmfZ1XX.png
Those with two H are fully covered for any random safety car event that might change it from a 1 stop to a 2 stop race. All except both Mercedes and Ricciardo have atleast one M new and one M used. Expecting RUS, HAM, RIC to start on softs and offset everyone with new H before lap10. Having two H means no need to 'manage' , can push like a madman.

That is not true. Problem is thermal deg in Miami, not tyre wear. Thermal deg can destroy a tyre within a couple of laps. Even if they do a 2 stop they need to manage, which will make a 2 stop irrelevant if nothing unpredictable happens.

If Thermal deg sound unfamiliar: Thermal deg happens when a tyre stays too hot for too long. In that case the chemicals in the thread, which make the tyre do its thing, will change, making the tyre basically a useless piece of rubber. If you manage that proces well, the hard tyre in Miami can survive a very long time. Even better, the more the tyre is used, the cooler it becomes, the harder the driver can start pushing on it. See wat Verstappen did last year. This is because the thread becomes thinner, which gives less movement in the surface, which generate less and less heat.

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Re: 2024 Miami Grand Prix - Miami Intl. Autodrome, May 03 - 05

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It would still be surprise if tires turn out to be a deciding factor today, I guess, even if they need some managing. Last year the McLarens pitted for hards on lap 5, and Piastri was still able to set his fastest lap in the very end. So normally it should be an easy one-stopper for everyone, no matter when they pit.

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And that will be much harder than last year as DRS already opens in lap 2. So they all have to push very hard in the beginning and once you have too much heat in the tire you cannot get rid of it.

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Waz wrote:
05 May 2024, 08:06
First time I have seen drivers attacking a lap and going slower than before because they were doing exactly what they're supposed to do : push hard in Qualifying.

These tires are really garbage and way to fickle.
Very hot surface, plus the track itself seems to be punishing drivers who attack too hard on the curbs and whatnot.

So we got some 'peaky' tire play for qualifying, but I'll bet it smooths out fine in the race.

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organic wrote:
05 May 2024, 03:03
AR3-GP wrote:
05 May 2024, 02:43
Pirelli says the hard tire is the favorite for tomorrow.
The same tyre could do 40 laps last year no problem with relatively little degradation.. I think it will not be a big problem
The track surface isn't the same as last year. Apparently the track has had high-pressure water treatment, and according to Pirelli, this has drastically changed the surface (30% increase in "micro roughness" - whatever that is).

This, combined with a potentially higher track temperature, could perhaps change last years 1-stopper to a 2-stop race.

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search wrote:
05 May 2024, 07:34
scuderiabrandon wrote:
05 May 2024, 03:48
Anyone have the tyre allocation for the race? I hate how long Pirelli take to release the infographic for it.
it's in the F1.com strategy guide:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... JIHyNcDMnE

-> with tire age additions by myself:

https://i.imgur.com/UmfZ1XX.png
thank you!

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This is the version of Verstappen I always like, when he just chill in an Interview. He didn't have to think for a sec when he said he'd have to win until '28 to get 8 titles :D
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Re: 2024 Miami Grand Prix - Miami Intl. Autodrome, May 03 - 05

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apparently it's super humid today. Last year this was named as one of the reasons why Red Bull wasn't at its best in Singapore and Montreal.

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Re: 2024 Miami Grand Prix - Miami Intl. Autodrome, May 03 - 05

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Be interesting on the tyres today. 1 New Hard and Medium for Ferrari, 6 laps on the used they have spare. RBR have 2 New hard and medium. So a mid/late SC would throw advantage RBR.

For me, Ferrari have to split the strategy with sainz on the hard going long dropping to a medium later on with hope of a later on SC.

Hamilton has to try the hards and go long, hoping for the above too. Worked for Max last year.

I think it'll be 2 RBR's vs leclerc though. So advantage RBR with the strategy. Goes against what everyone thinks will happen, but I think Perez will soon make light work of Sainz with the pace of the RBR vs the Ferrari's.
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search wrote:
05 May 2024, 21:36
apparently it's super humid today. Last year this was named as one of the reasons why Red Bull wasn't at its best in Singapore and Montreal.
Perfect time for Newey to leave! Can't do another 4 years of this!
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edit: maybe false info
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