2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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AnotherAlex
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I agree with most people that the problem is with the inconsistency of penalties, but, for me, Piastri's pass on Sainz was just about OK.
The 'leaving space' penalties should be for when a driver has the inside line and deliberately opens the steering to force his opponent wide, as was increasingly common practice a few years ago. Hard to police the distinction though.

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AR3-GP wrote:
06 May 2024, 16:20
Why did Leclerc allow Piastri to go through without any fight? Bizarre. Leclerc lost the race right there. Even if Ferrari wasn't the fastest car, there was a massive opportunity yesterday. Sainz would have never let Piastri past.
He made a mistake. He didn't expect a late move in the last corner.

In general, he was struggling for pace in the first 7-8 laps though.

Also Sainz wasn't decisive enough in the first few corners. Piastri mugged him, and Sainz wasn't expecting him at all. :D
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CouncilorIrissa
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Xyz22 wrote:
AR3-GP wrote:
06 May 2024, 16:20
Why did Leclerc allow Piastri to go through without any fight? Bizarre. Leclerc lost the race right there. Even if Ferrari wasn't the fastest car, there was a massive opportunity yesterday. Sainz would have never let Piastri past.
He made a mistake. He didn't expect a late move in the last corner.

In general, he was struggling for pace in the first 7-8 laps though.
I think he made a mistake in the sense that he expected to come back later in the stint with better tyre wear that just wasn’t there. He seems to do that lately.

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CouncilorIrissa wrote:
06 May 2024, 16:55
Xyz22 wrote:
AR3-GP wrote:
06 May 2024, 16:20
Why did Leclerc allow Piastri to go through without any fight? Bizarre. Leclerc lost the race right there. Even if Ferrari wasn't the fastest car, there was a massive opportunity yesterday. Sainz would have never let Piastri past.
He made a mistake. He didn't expect a late move in the last corner.

In general, he was struggling for pace in the first 7-8 laps though.
I think he made a mistake in the sense that he expected to come back later in the stint with better tyre wear that just wasn’t there. He seems to do that lately.
Maybe. I think he was struggling for pace in the first few laps and didn't expect a late move there because it is such a tricky corner.

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Xyz22 wrote:
CouncilorIrissa wrote:
06 May 2024, 16:55
Xyz22 wrote: He made a mistake. He didn't expect a late move in the last corner.

In general, he was struggling for pace in the first 7-8 laps though.
I think he made a mistake in the sense that he expected to come back later in the stint with better tyre wear that just wasn’t there. He seems to do that lately.
Maybe. I think he was struggling for pace in the first few laps and didn't expect a late move there because it is such a tricky corner.
To me it’s pretty apparent that he is always tiptoeing around tyres early in the stint. I think I first noticed that in Austria last year, maybe it started even earlier than that.

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AR3-GP wrote:
06 May 2024, 16:20
Why did Leclerc allow Piastri to go through without any fight? Bizarre. Leclerc lost the race right there. Even if Ferrari wasn't the fastest car, there was a massive opportunity yesterday. Sainz would have never let Piastri past.
Yeah, Sainz wouldn't have let Piastri past by defending too aggressively and gaining a penalty. Leclerc was just struggling for pace in the opening laps because the low speed understeer is quite bad.

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SoulPancake13 wrote:
06 May 2024, 17:04
AR3-GP wrote:
06 May 2024, 16:20
Why did Leclerc allow Piastri to go through without any fight? Bizarre. Leclerc lost the race right there. Even if Ferrari wasn't the fastest car, there was a massive opportunity yesterday. Sainz would have never let Piastri past.
Yeah, Sainz wouldn't have let Piastri past by defending too aggressively and gaining a penalty. Leclerc was just struggling for pace in the opening laps because the low speed understeer is quite bad.
Maybe, but in that case Leclerc would have been in a great position if Sainz collided with Piastri. :lol: Piastri is really what ruined Leclerc's race and a possible win.
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Xyz22 wrote:
06 May 2024, 16:50
He made a mistake. He didn't expect a late move in the last corner.

In general, he was struggling for pace in the first 7-8 laps though.
How is it a mistake to back off from a forceful dive bomber? What was he supposed to do, slam into Piastri like Piastri slammed into Sainz? :mrgreen: P3 is better than 0 points I think :lol: Ferrari made a big mistake pitting him so early, undercut is weak in Miami and we know how rewarding overcut on Mediums can be, Max showed how to do it last year.

Not sure what you mean when you say Leclerc struggled for pace in early laps? He was out of DRS window but still affected by Max' wake and only 2 tenths a lap slower before Piastri overtook him. He then easily kept within DRS from Piastri, but there's simply no overtaking among close performing cars on this track.

AR3-GP wrote:
06 May 2024, 17:08
Piastri is really what ruined Leclerc's race and a possible win.
You keep downgrading mate :)
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Vanja #66 wrote:
06 May 2024, 17:18
Xyz22 wrote:
06 May 2024, 16:50
He made a mistake. He didn't expect a late move in the last corner.

In general, he was struggling for pace in the first 7-8 laps though.
How is it a mistake to back off from a forceful dive bomber? What was he supposed to do, slam into Piastri like Piastri slammed into Sainz? :mrgreen: P3 is better than 0 points I think :lol: Ferrari made a big mistake pitting him so early, undercut is weak in Miami and we know how rewarding overcut on Mediums can be, Max showed how to do it last year.

Not sure what you mean when you say Leclerc struggled for pace in early laps? He was out of DRS window but still affected by Max' wake and only 2 tenths a lap slower before Piastri overtook him. He then easily kept within DRS from Piastri, but there's simply no overtaking among close performing cars on this track.

AR3-GP wrote:
06 May 2024, 17:08
Piastri is really what ruined Leclerc's race and a possible win.
You keep downgrading mate :)
Absolutely not. He could have protected the inside earlier but he didn't expect such a move. Piastri pulled it off brilliantly, contrary to Sainz :D

In the first few laps he was struggling a bit as he was sliding in quite a few corners even after Piastri overtook him.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
06 May 2024, 17:18
AR3-GP wrote:
06 May 2024, 17:08
Piastri is really what ruined Leclerc's race and a possible win.
You keep downgrading mate :)
I don't know what you are referring to.

There's a version of the race where Leclerc defends the inside, keeps the position on Piastri, stays out long like he did in all previous GP and pits during the safety car. Follow that with a clever safety car restart and he would have had a great chance at least. That's all you can ask.
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AR3-GP wrote:
06 May 2024, 16:20
Why did Leclerc allow Piastri to go through without any fight? Bizarre. Leclerc lost the race right there. Even if Ferrari wasn't the fastest car, there was a massive opportunity yesterday. Sainz would have never let Piastri past.
I believe Charles thought he would slingshot back past with the pit straight DRS, bad calculation.

Charles too focussed on bringing the tires along nice and easy ended up with Piastri as a road block, then the team was forced to undercut(it was not a bad call even if the SC compromised the strategy) and that locked the result.

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AR3-GP wrote:
Vanja #66 wrote:
06 May 2024, 17:18
AR3-GP wrote:
06 May 2024, 17:08
Piastri is really what ruined Leclerc's race and a possible win.
You keep downgrading mate :)
I don't know what you are referring to.

There's a version of the race where Leclerc defends the inside, keeps the position on Piastri, stays out long like he did in all previous GP and pits during the safety car. Follow that with a clever safety car restart and he leads until the end of the race all while not actually having the fastest car.
Lando would've gotten his free pit stop either way and would’ve easily overtaken him on restart with a car that is much quicker and better at switching on tyres.

But you’re correct that he would’ve wished ahead of Verstappen.

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CouncilorIrissa wrote:
06 May 2024, 17:32
AR3-GP wrote:
Vanja #66 wrote:
06 May 2024, 17:18



You keep downgrading mate :)
I don't know what you are referring to.

There's a version of the race where Leclerc defends the inside, keeps the position on Piastri, stays out long like he did in all previous GP and pits during the safety car. Follow that with a clever safety car restart and he leads until the end of the race all while not actually having the fastest car.
Lando would've gotten his free pit stop either way and would’ve easily overtaken him on restart with a car that is much quicker and better at switching on tyres.
Yes I agree that he would have had to fend off Norris but he has to give himself the chance to fight for it. Make Norris pass. Norris struggled to pass Perez while Perez was the slowest of the top 5. (Mclaren was the slowest on the straights with DRS). Mclaren might have even put Norris on a different and less optimal strategy if Leclerc was leading.

The race is done, so nothing will change. It's just a point that I thought probably changed how the race played out.
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AR3-GP wrote:
CouncilorIrissa wrote:
06 May 2024, 17:32
AR3-GP wrote: I don't know what you are referring to.

There's a version of the race where Leclerc defends the inside, keeps the position on Piastri, stays out long like he did in all previous GP and pits during the safety car. Follow that with a clever safety car restart and he leads until the end of the race all while not actually having the fastest car.
Lando would've gotten his free pit stop either way and would’ve easily overtaken him on restart with a car that is much quicker and better at switching on tyres.
Yes I agree that he would have had to fend off Norris but he has to give himself the chance to fight for it. Make Norris pass. Norris couldn't pass Perez while Perez was slowest of the top 5. (Mclaren was the slowest on the straights with DRS).
There’s no way he could’ve fended him off. It was already hard to fend off Oscar who's a bit slower on his own, not to mention that his car was more than two tenths slower than Lando's, and that’s not taking into account a slight tow from Verstappen.

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Where does the assumption come from that LeClerc stays out longer if he was ahead of Piastri?

It did look as if he was trying to bring the tires in a little too gently, which he has been doing since 2022 actually. There used to be a radio call from his engineer about the tires being ready now. (Which is separate bit of ridiculous)

Maybe his real mistake was that, and if he had been more aggressive on the tires, they would have warmed up sooner, and he would have been hassling Verstappen instead of being hounded by Piastri.