2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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I will still never forgive the marketing idiot who agreed to let HP have a blue logo on the car. Monochrome would have been fine!
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Car update pics - and related responses - moved to car thread.
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CMSMJ1 wrote:
10 May 2024, 10:20
Car update pics - and related responses - moved to car thread.
Cheers mate!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
10 May 2024, 10:31
CMSMJ1 wrote:
10 May 2024, 10:20
Car update pics - and related responses - moved to car thread.
Cheers mate!

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We're not allowed to talk about car updates at all in this thread? I thought the car threads were more for like detailed technical analysis, while this one was more general and casual discussion?

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Seanspeed wrote:
10 May 2024, 13:29
We're not allowed to talk about car updates at all in this thread? I thought the car threads were more for like detailed technical analysis, while this one was more general and casual discussion?
The idea is to separate facts and reasonable guesses (in car threads) from performance speculation, lap time talk, far-fetched technical speculation etc, which belong in team threads :) There were photos of updated car on track posted here, when they should be in the car thread
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Vanja #66 wrote:
10 May 2024, 14:10
Seanspeed wrote:
10 May 2024, 13:29
We're not allowed to talk about car updates at all in this thread? I thought the car threads were more for like detailed technical analysis, while this one was more general and casual discussion?
The idea is to separate facts and reasonable guesses (in car threads) from performance speculation, lap time talk, far-fetched technical speculation etc, which belong in team threads :) There were photos of updated car on track posted here, when they should be in the car thread
Ok that's reasonable.

I guess I'll keep it here then when I say the update is somewhat underwhelming so far, given all the talk of it being some '2.0' and how 'conservative' the launch car was. Very much looks like a decent set of detail changes rather than any kind of heavy overhaul. Which might be fine, I dunno, just think there was clearly too much overhyping of this.

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Seanspeed wrote:
10 May 2024, 14:51
Vanja #66 wrote:
10 May 2024, 14:10
Seanspeed wrote:
10 May 2024, 13:29
We're not allowed to talk about car updates at all in this thread? I thought the car threads were more for like detailed technical analysis, while this one was more general and casual discussion?
The idea is to separate facts and reasonable guesses (in car threads) from performance speculation, lap time talk, far-fetched technical speculation etc, which belong in team threads :) There were photos of updated car on track posted here, when they should be in the car thread
Ok that's reasonable.

I guess I'll keep it here then when I say the update is somewhat underwhelming so far, given all the talk of it being some '2.0' and how 'conservative' the launch car was. Very much looks like a decent set of detail changes rather than any kind of heavy overhaul. Which might be fine, I dunno, just think there was clearly too much overhyping of this.
For cars of this generation, new floor, wings, sidepods, cooling arrangement, etc all at once absolutely qualifies as an overhaul IMO.

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Seanspeed wrote:
10 May 2024, 14:51
Vanja #66 wrote:
10 May 2024, 14:10
Seanspeed wrote:
10 May 2024, 13:29
We're not allowed to talk about car updates at all in this thread? I thought the car threads were more for like detailed technical analysis, while this one was more general and casual discussion?
The idea is to separate facts and reasonable guesses (in car threads) from performance speculation, lap time talk, far-fetched technical speculation etc, which belong in team threads :) There were photos of updated car on track posted here, when they should be in the car thread
Ok that's reasonable.

I guess I'll keep it here then when I say the update is somewhat underwhelming so far, given all the talk of it being some '2.0' and how 'conservative' the launch car was. Very much looks like a decent set of detail changes rather than any kind of heavy overhaul. Which might be fine, I dunno, just think there was clearly too much overhyping of this.
Ferrari has never done such a change with a single upgrade package or even in a year, recently. The only outlier is the 2023 season, in which they changed (half) the concept to start gathering data.

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JPower wrote:
10 May 2024, 14:57
Seanspeed wrote:
10 May 2024, 14:51
Vanja #66 wrote:
10 May 2024, 14:10


The idea is to separate facts and reasonable guesses (in car threads) from performance speculation, lap time talk, far-fetched technical speculation etc, which belong in team threads :) There were photos of updated car on track posted here, when they should be in the car thread
Ok that's reasonable.

I guess I'll keep it here then when I say the update is somewhat underwhelming so far, given all the talk of it being some '2.0' and how 'conservative' the launch car was. Very much looks like a decent set of detail changes rather than any kind of heavy overhaul. Which might be fine, I dunno, just think there was clearly too much overhyping of this.
For cars of this generation, new floor, wings, sidepods, cooling arrangement, etc all at once absolutely qualifies as an overhaul IMO.
Just new rear wing tips, front wing is the same. Floor looks the same. Sidepods look very, very similar though hard to tell without better comparison shots in similar light. The actual scale of the changes just dont seem that dramatic, and nothing more than I'd expect from most any team over the first third of a season.

I guess it was the largely consensus judgement that the launch car was conservative and the '2.0/B-spec' talk that had me feeling this was gonna be a more significant overhaul. I think you'd be very hard pressed to argue this is truly some '2.0' version of the car. Definitely the same car, just optimized a bit more.

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Xyz22 wrote:
10 May 2024, 15:01
Seanspeed wrote:
10 May 2024, 14:51
Vanja #66 wrote:
10 May 2024, 14:10


The idea is to separate facts and reasonable guesses (in car threads) from performance speculation, lap time talk, far-fetched technical speculation etc, which belong in team threads :) There were photos of updated car on track posted here, when they should be in the car thread
Ok that's reasonable.

I guess I'll keep it here then when I say the update is somewhat underwhelming so far, given all the talk of it being some '2.0' and how 'conservative' the launch car was. Very much looks like a decent set of detail changes rather than any kind of heavy overhaul. Which might be fine, I dunno, just think there was clearly too much overhyping of this.
Ferrari has never done such a change with a single upgrade package or even in a year, recently. The only outlier is the 2023 season, in which they changed (half) the concept to start gathering data.
Yes the only outlier was literally last year. lol

I see we're already in the 'everybody knew the changes weren't gonna be that big' stage of things. :p

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Have we had definitive pictures? Are there any official Ferrari Pics?

We are talking with some level of certainty when there are even reports that the floor isn't the upgraded.

Moreover last race we needed to have the official list from FIA to understand the difference between Piastri and Norris, and supposedly that was a 0.4sec update.

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Seanspeed wrote:
10 May 2024, 14:51
I guess I'll keep it here then when I say the update is somewhat underwhelming so far, given all the talk of it being some '2.0' and how 'conservative' the launch car was. Very much looks like a decent set of detail changes rather than any kind of heavy overhaul. Which might be fine, I dunno, just think there was clearly too much overhyping of this.
Its a complete overhaul of the sidepods and possibly the floor which we won't get a good look at from spy shots.

New inlet, reprofiled sidepods, drastic cooling outlet change implying changes in internal flow (rerouting of the sduct the most obvious one), new engine cover, extra bits on the halo.

I think you're being unnecessarily dismissive of the update on visual terms. People thought the base car looked conservative and lackluster too.
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Here we go again... let's wait until the car hits the track. We had this exact same discussion when the car was initially revealed.

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Seanspeed wrote:
10 May 2024, 14:51
I guess I'll keep it here then when I say the update is somewhat underwhelming so far, given all the talk of it being some '2.0' and how 'conservative' the launch car was. Very much looks like a decent set of detail changes rather than any kind of heavy overhaul. Which might be fine, I dunno, just think there was clearly too much overhyping of this.
Agreed, which is why I said the hype is not justified. :) The hype helps no one, but the media has to sell the clicks... It's a decent set of changes, arguably as much as McLaren changed when it comes to bodywork. As for the floor we are yet to see the new one, although we won't see the main tunnels of course. Rear wing tips are a nice touch, shows Ferrari is leaving no detail to chance as they are chasing the Bulls. This was not the case last year, a lot of details were left unchanged since their performance improvement was very small and the gap wasn't.

Overall, it's not a bad thing for Ferrari to avoid making massive bodywork changes for the 3rd time in the last 12 months. Small evolution and step-by-step improvements mean they know what they are doing and how they are doing it. With these cars, it's all about the floor (now that all the sidepods are of the same nature) and improving the floor will always yield the most improvement.
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