Partially. It appears like the cannons are still there, but a substantial outlet around the midpoint of the engine cover has been added as well. I haven't seen a great rear shot of the new spec though, so it's hard to tell exactly what is going on.
Couldn't see from pictures posted already, but I am not sure what they mean by that. Teams that had deep gulleys all slowly got rid of them in favor of a flatter top with only some downwash being kept at the end at the coke bottle area.
This is a proper B-spec car. It is significantly different in its design.CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑10 May 2024, 17:31We really need more photos to declare whether we could count this as true B-spec or not. We haven't seen the top of the sidepods, nor have we seen the closeup shots from the rear and the beam wing.
Oh, I agree that this is a significant change based on what we've seen already. It's just that for those unconvinced I'd suggest to wait until we have all the angles.AR3-GP wrote: ↑10 May 2024, 17:36This is a proper B-spec car. It is significantly different in its design.CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑10 May 2024, 17:31We really need more photos to declare whether we could count this as true B-spec or not. We haven't seen the top of the sidepods, nor have we seen the closeup shots from the rear and the beam wing.
New rear wing.
Completely new side pod inlets (P-shape like Alpine ad overbite like Red Bull).
Completely new opening in the middle of the engine cover for cooling exit.
Not-photographed, but new underfloor as reported.
and those are just the obvious changes.
This is significant. I read all the post in here before reviewing the photos fully and I have to say I don't know what people are complaining about? It's a visually significant change. They talk about change in millimeters in F1. This car has completely different shapes starts from the sidepod inlets both on the upper and lower surfaces.
Just guesstimating based on how much time successful packages from other teams have brought, based on the scale of the changes. McLaren's 4 tenths package was more substantial than this, and RB's 1-1,5 tenth package at Suzuka was slightly smaller than the changes we have seen so far (without the expected floor). So I'd expect Ferrari to land somewhere in the middle. Could of course be different, maybe a visually small change generates a big benefit, or the package could be a let down. But my expectation is 2-3 tenths based on the visuals.
I agree, I expected less. Its basically Mclaren type of upgrade, I suspect RB will bring smaller one (however they already brought parts in Suzuka)AR3-GP wrote: ↑10 May 2024, 17:36This is a proper B-spec car. It is significantly different in its design.CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑10 May 2024, 17:31We really need more photos to declare whether we could count this as true B-spec or not. We haven't seen the top of the sidepods, nor have we seen the closeup shots from the rear and the beam wing.
New rear wing.
Completely new side pod inlets (P-shape like Alpine ad overbite like Red Bull).
Completely new opening in the middle of the engine cover for cooling exit.
The ears next to the Halo
Not-photographed, but new underfloor as reported.
and those are just the obvious changes.
This is significant. I read all the post in here before reviewing the photos fully and I have to say I don't know what people are complaining about? It's a visually significant change. They talk about change in millimeters in F1. This car has completely different shapes from the middle of the car and back in F1 terms.
I'm pretty sure the entire sidepod geometry has been significantly changed as well. They have done some work on the sculpting, especially in the undercut region from what I've seen.AR3-GP wrote: ↑10 May 2024, 17:36This is a proper B-spec car. It is significantly different in its design.CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑10 May 2024, 17:31We really need more photos to declare whether we could count this as true B-spec or not. We haven't seen the top of the sidepods, nor have we seen the closeup shots from the rear and the beam wing.
New rear wing.
Completely new side pod inlets (P-shape like Alpine ad overbite like Red Bull).
Completely new opening in the middle of the engine cover for cooling exit.
The ears next to the Halo
Not-photographed, but new underfloor as reported.
and those are just the obvious changes.
This is significant. I read all the post in here before reviewing the photos fully and I have to say I don't know what people are complaining about? It's a visually significant change. They talk about change in millimeters in F1. This car has completely different shapes from the middle of the car and back in F1 terms.
The floor generates like what, 80% of the overall downforce? There’s absolutely no way to predict any gains by simply looking at the changes on the outside.Cs98 wrote: ↑10 May 2024, 17:47Just guesstimating based on how much time successful packages from other teams have brought, based on the scale of the changes. McLaren's 4 tenths package was more substantial than this, and RB's 1-1,5 tenth package at Suzuka was slightly smaller than the changes we have seen so far (without the expected floor). So I'd expect Ferrari to land somewhere in the middle. Could of course be different, maybe a visually small change generates a big benefit, or the package could be a let down. But my expectation is 2-3 tenths based on the visuals.
Completely agree.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑10 May 2024, 08:34It is hard to resist the hype anywhere in the world, I can only imagine the hype level in Italy any time there is a remote chance to fight for wins and WDC...
But the reality now is that Ferrari has to chase after Red Bull after TD39 and early 2023 and all the hype is completely out of place. Everyone will improve over the season, Red Bull included. McLaren pushed their upgrades and favoured one driver to get them first and still won by luck, in spite of being the quickest (by a small margin) on Sunday.
The pessimism is even more out of place, with budget cap there is not a lot a team can do to massively improve over a season. Ferrari has improved the car and their track operations and even both drivers are performing better and more consistently than either 22 or 23 as a duo. And everything keeps improving with every weekend, as we can see.
It will take time to get back at RB. I still don't see anyone being consistently outright quicker than RB until later next year, after they are close to wrapping up WDC and WCC and have put all their attention and resources on 2026 car. I will be very surprised if it happens sooner, even with ongoing power struggle and somewhat hectic environment.
This. We haven't seen if Ferrari have adopted the steep drop near the end of the downwashing side pod that RBR had from the start and MCL added last race. Might not be feasible with the rear suspension geometry. The floor inlet was supposed to be aggressively changed which also haven't seen yet.CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑10 May 2024, 17:31We really need more photos to declare whether we could count this as true B-spec or not. We haven't seen the top of the sidepods, nor have we seen the closeup shots from the rear and the beam wing.