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We should expect a significant change as this Imola package is highly sponsored by Krack and Fallows since the pre-season. Let's not forget Fallows pre season interview where he was saying that Aston will fight Red Bull this year. They are talking about a new floor, new aerodynamic elements, new diffuser and new suspension.
We will see how the car improves.
However we are already hearing impressive/scary number from Ferrari heavily inspired by Red Bull+ Ferrari had now the chance to pre test the package with the FIA test.
Mclaren already showed that the new package worked very well.
So for the first time we will be able to see if Aston solved the issue of the last year of incorrect data correlation between the data from the factory engineering and the race/car engineering
We should expect a significant change as this Imola package is highly sponsored by Krack and Fallows since the pre-season. Let's not forget Fallows pre season interview where he was saying that Aston will fight Red Bull this year. They are talking about a new floor, new aerodynamic elements, new diffuser and new suspension.
We will see how the car improves.
However we are already hearing impressive/scary number from Ferrari heavily inspired by Red Bull+ Ferrari had now the chance to pre test the package with the FIA test.
Mclaren already showed that the new package worked very well.
So for the first time we will be able to see if Aston solved the issue of the last year of incorrect data correlation between the data from the factory engineering and the race/car engineering
Spoiler: no
I wonder what you are even doing in here. Everything you do in here is hating on the team literally every message.
With hindsight, Alonso/AMR were correct about how the beginning of 2023 would corrupt expectations (including my own). Bahrain 2023 was both a gift and a curse.
Realistically, the team is about 1 year behind Mclaren in terms of the maturation of the various institutional improvement projects including the new windtunnel, new buildings, new engine supplier, gearbox/rear suspension development, etc etc.
The new windtunnel is stated to be operational by late summer. It's first project will be the 2025 car but even Aston knows that they have to commit resources to the 2026 car as soon as January 1st 2025 comes.
It is easy to get caught up in short term performance (as I also did), but it's clear that the full impact of the investment made into this team will not be seen until 2026. 2023 was an overperformance relative teams who had better resources. Ferrari/Mclaren in particular are now where they should have been last year based on their resources, people, and technology.
We should expect a significant change as this Imola package is highly sponsored by Krack and Fallows since the pre-season. Let's not forget Fallows pre season interview where he was saying that Aston will fight Red Bull this year. They are talking about a new floor, new aerodynamic elements, new diffuser and new suspension.
We will see how the car improves.
However we are already hearing impressive/scary number from Ferrari heavily inspired by Red Bull+ Ferrari had now the chance to pre test the package with the FIA test.
Mclaren already showed that the new package worked very well.
So for the first time we will be able to see if Aston solved the issue of the last year of incorrect data correlation between the data from the factory engineering and the race/car engineering
Spoiler: no
I wonder what you are even doing in here. Everything you do in here is hating on the team literally every message.
typical alonso fans, hating on whichever team he has been, since mid 00s
i think the mods should let these guys make their own separate channel where they can spew their toxic negativity 24/7
With hindsight, Alonso/AMR were correct about how the beginning of 2023 would corrupt expectations (including my own). Bahrain 2023 was both a gift and a curse.
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It is easy to get caught up in short term performance (as I also did), but it's clear that the full impact of the investment made into this team will not be seen until 2026. 2023 was an overperformance relative teams who had better resources. Ferrari/Mclaren in particular are now where they should have been last year based on their resources, people, and technology.
I wonder what you are even doing in here. Everything you do in here is hating on the team literally every message.
typical alonso fans, hating on whichever team he has been, since mid 00s
i think the mods should let these guys make their own separate channel where they can spew their toxic negativity 24/7
Being realistic does not mean hating a team, I am very grateful to Aston Martin for giving Alonso the podiums, but I also have the vision to understand that in my opinion they are going nowhere he starts with this mentality and Alonso doesn't have many years left in F1. As a fan of Alonso and F1, a driver like him deserves to fight in the top positions, so I don't care if I'm for you bad or not, I am realistic and honest.
With hindsight, Alonso/AMR were correct about how the beginning of 2023 would corrupt expectations (including my own). Bahrain 2023 was both a gift and a curse.
Realistically, the team is about 1 year behind Mclaren in terms of the maturation of the various institutional improvement projects including the new windtunnel, new buildings, new engine supplier, gearbox/rear suspension development, etc etc.
The new windtunnel is stated to be operational by late summer. It's first project will be the 2025 car but even Aston knows that they have to commit resources to the 2026 car as soon as January 1st 2025 comes.
It is easy to get caught up in short term performance (as I also did), but it's clear that the full impact of the investment made into this team will not be seen until 2026. 2023 was an overperformance relative teams who had better resources. Ferrari/Mclaren in particular are now where they should have been last year based on their resources, people, and technology.
Aston Martin has engineers who in my opinion are even better than McLaren's and will have their own sole engine supplier, so on paper they are superior to McLaren. The ownership of the team itself is also superior, so I don't see why you still think that McLaren is as unattainable as Ferrari. The infrastructure it currently has is of the highest level like the Mercedes wind tunnel, so enough with these things too.
I wonder what you are even doing in here. Everything you do in here is hating on the team literally every message.
typical alonso fans, hating on whichever team he has been, since mid 00s
i think the mods should let these guys make their own separate channel where they can spew their toxic negativity 24/7
Being realistic does not mean hating a team, I am very grateful to Aston Martin for giving Alonso the podiums, but I also have the vision to understand that in my opinion they are going nowhere he starts with this mentality and Alonso doesn't have many years left in F1. As a fan of Alonso and F1, a driver like him deserves to fight in the top positions, so I don't care if I'm for you bad or not, I am realistic and honest.
calling yourself a realist while being toxic and entitled all the time.
With hindsight, Alonso/AMR were correct about how the beginning of 2023 would corrupt expectations (including my own). Bahrain 2023 was both a gift and a curse.
Realistically, the team is about 1 year behind Mclaren in terms of the maturation of the various institutional improvement projects including the new windtunnel, new buildings, new engine supplier, gearbox/rear suspension development, etc etc.
The new windtunnel is stated to be operational by late summer. It's first project will be the 2025 car but even Aston knows that they have to commit resources to the 2026 car as soon as January 1st 2025 comes.
It is easy to get caught up in short term performance (as I also did), but it's clear that the full impact of the investment made into this team will not be seen until 2026. 2023 was an overperformance relative teams who had better resources. Ferrari/Mclaren in particular are now where they should have been last year based on their resources, people, and technology.
Aston Martin has engineers who in my opinion are even better than McLaren's and will have their own sole engine supplier, so on paper they are superior to McLaren. The ownership of the team itself is also superior, so I don't see why you still think that McLaren is as unattainable as Ferrari. The infrastructure it currently has is of the highest level like the Mercedes wind tunnel, so enough with these things too.
I don't think we have a disagreement.
Even if the people are the same or better than Mclaren, Aston Martin is handicapped. Aston Martin still does not have their own Wind Tunnel. It will not be ready until later this year. Aston will not have their own engine, gearbox, and rear suspension until 2026. The work in the background is good. The reward will take time. The current results are somewhat irrelevant. Not amazing, but not bad either. The only teams ahead of them are those without the limitations that AMR has.
With hindsight, Alonso/AMR were correct about how the beginning of 2023 would corrupt expectations (including my own). Bahrain 2023 was both a gift and a curse.
Realistically, the team is about 1 year behind Mclaren in terms of the maturation of the various institutional improvement projects including the new windtunnel, new buildings, new engine supplier, gearbox/rear suspension development, etc etc.
The new windtunnel is stated to be operational by late summer. It's first project will be the 2025 car but even Aston knows that they have to commit resources to the 2026 car as soon as January 1st 2025 comes.
It is easy to get caught up in short term performance (as I also did), but it's clear that the full impact of the investment made into this team will not be seen until 2026. 2023 was an overperformance relative teams who had better resources. Ferrari/Mclaren in particular are now where they should have been last year based on their resources, people, and technology.
Aston Martin has engineers who in my opinion are even better than McLaren's and will have their own sole engine supplier, so on paper they are superior to McLaren. The ownership of the team itself is also superior, so I don't see why you still think that McLaren is as unattainable as Ferrari. The infrastructure it currently has is of the highest level like the Mercedes wind tunnel, so enough with these things too.
I don't think we have a disagreement.
Even if the people are the same or better than Mclaren, Aston Martin is handicapped. Aston Martin still does not have their own Wind Tunnel. It will not be ready until later this year. Aston will not have their own engine, gearbox, and rear suspension until 2026. The work in the background is good. The reward will take time. The current results are somewhat irrelevant. Not amazing, but not bad either. The only teams ahead of them are those without the limitations that AMR has.
Everything is ok, except that it is the only team in the top 5 to have black holes and find yourself fighting against Alpine, Williams, RB etc. So this is absolutely not good.
typical alonso fans, hating on whichever team he has been, since mid 00s
i think the mods should let these guys make their own separate channel where they can spew their toxic negativity 24/7
Being realistic does not mean hating a team, I am very grateful to Aston Martin for giving Alonso the podiums, but I also have the vision to understand that in my opinion they are going nowhere he starts with this mentality and Alonso doesn't have many years left in F1. As a fan of Alonso and F1, a driver like him deserves to fight in the top positions, so I don't care if I'm for you bad or not, I am realistic and honest.
calling yourself a realist while being toxic and entitled all the time.
Toxic? I also analyzed Aston Martin and said that in my opinion their problems stem from a problem with the front axle of the car, caused by bad synergy with the rear. It doesn't mean being toxic if I say that in my opinion the updates won't work and that with this mentality they won't go anywhere, it's my opinion without criticizing and insulting anyone.
With hindsight, Alonso/AMR were correct about how the beginning of 2023 would corrupt expectations (including my own). Bahrain 2023 was both a gift and a curse.
Realistically, the team is about 1 year behind Mclaren in terms of the maturation of the various institutional improvement projects including the new windtunnel, new buildings, new engine supplier, gearbox/rear suspension development, etc etc.
The new windtunnel is stated to be operational by late summer. It's first project will be the 2025 car but even Aston knows that they have to commit resources to the 2026 car as soon as January 1st 2025 comes.
It is easy to get caught up in short term performance (as I also did), but it's clear that the full impact of the investment made into this team will not be seen until 2026. 2023 was an overperformance relative teams who had better resources. Ferrari/Mclaren in particular are now where they should have been last year based on their resources, people, and technology.
Aston Martin has engineers who in my opinion are even better than McLaren's and will have their own sole engine supplier, so on paper they are superior to McLaren. The ownership of the team itself is also superior, so I don't see why you still think that McLaren is as unattainable as Ferrari. The infrastructure it currently has is of the highest level like the Mercedes wind tunnel, so enough with these things too.
He didn't say unattainable ever, just not this year or next.
The infrastructure isn't finished yet and they still haven't hired the people to build the gearbox and rear suspension.
