2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[bananapeel23]

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[bananapeel23]

I don't think there's anything too clever to do tomorrow. From second row, Ferrari can either try to go with S-M or S-H strategy if they want to try to take the lead as early as possible. If not and choose to start on M they need to extend until a V/SC period. This is a sure thing in Imola and will bring much bigger time gain than any kind of undercut.

In any case, it will be very hard for Ferrari both to overtake and defend due to higher aero load of beam wing, so ultimately anything more than a P3 will be a great result. They made a mistake on aero load and will suffer the consequences and that's it

I suspect you are overestimating the power of top speed here, as well as just how much top speed the Ferrari is lacking. Driver comments very much seem to imply that track position is king and that overtaking into turn 1 (even with DRS) will be VERY difficult. If you get out of the chicane on in first place on lap 1, you stand a very good chance of keeping said place at least until the pit stops.

[SoulPancake13]

The package is big, aesthetically and especially chronometrically. If we then want to believe the fairy tale that these upgrades are worth 1 tenth, then good night. But that in Imola we would not see the full potential, as a lap time, we wrote it with @RosarioGiuliana after the Fiorano filming, with harsh criticism, teasing and insults. It was said by the drivers in the entry weekend and post qualifying. More than that I honestly wouldn't know what to do, journalistically speaking. (c) Donadoni from formula uno

With such a large package, we can hope that optimization comes and delivers more of the lap time

[yooogurt]

With such a large package, we can hope that optimization comes and delivers more of the lap time

But problem in first corners in quiali still here, after the car looked very competitive today. And Sainz confirmed that this problem was not fixed with the update.

[CouncilorIrissa]

Let's see what the race brings. Both Sainz and Leclerc did a very impressive 3-4 lap run today in FP3 on softs well into the 19s.

[scuderiabrandon]

Let's see what the race brings. Both Sainz and Leclerc did a very impressive 3-4 lap run today in FP3 on softs well into the 19s.

Leclerc almost cracked into the 19s on the medium in FP2, tyre went away from him but if he tunes it back slightly he'll have a much better average lap time than what was showcased in FP2.

Stella tends to agree the Ferrari looks quick in the race.

[f1316]

I think what is puzzling/frustrating for most is not the size of Ferrari’s update in and of itself, it’s the relative gain vs McLaren. McLaren started the year behind Ferrari, brought an upgrade sooner, and are made a bigger step. There can be lots of reasons for that - eg where each team ended last year and the scale what they needed to solve - but naturally you compare the development race and feel like we’re going in the wrong direction.

It seems like what is now important is a few things: (1) how the upgrade plays out elsewhere and how they learn to get the most out of it (they said many times that Imola may not be the best track for the car as it is now) (2) what comes next - if we have to wait another 7 races for the next significant update, then there’s no hope for this season (Red Bull has already brought two significant upgrades this year, for example). It has, up until now, felt like everything was hinging on Imola, but it changes this if this is just the start of a more continued stream of smaller updates.

For the farce tomorrow, Piastri’s penalty is lucky and could make a difference. You only hope that running additional wing will somehow pay off with better tyre life (eg allowing them to run the soft at the start). I can’t see any of the front runners putting early so that will make it hard to go long - I think the better option may be, as Vanja suggests, run the soft, get track position and be the catalyst for stops. That said, the chance of a safety car seems fairly high, so that could also backfire. We’ll need a bit of luck tbh.

[CouncilorIrissa]

Let's see what the race brings. Both Sainz and Leclerc did a very impressive 3-4 lap run today in FP3 on softs well into the 19s.

Leclerc almost cracked into the 19s on the medium in FP2, tyre went away from him but if he tunes it back slightly he'll have a much better average lap time than what was showcased in FP2.

Stella tends to agree the Ferrari looks quick in the race.

The FP3 one was bonkers.
19.5-19.1-19.2.
Leclerc seemingly pushed harder, but his inlap was also really quick, he was on course for another lap in the 19s, but he ended up pitting.

[bluechris]

How good is Ferrari corner exit as matter the acceleration after the updates?

[Emag]

Let's see what the race brings. Both Sainz and Leclerc did a very impressive 3-4 lap run today in FP3 on softs well into the 19s.

Leclerc almost cracked into the 19s on the medium in FP2, tyre went away from him but if he tunes it back slightly he'll have a much better average lap time than what was showcased in FP2.

Stella tends to agree the Ferrari looks quick in the race.

The FP3 one was bonkers.
19.5-19.1-19.2.
Leclerc seemingly pushed harder, but his inlap was also really quick, he was on course for another lap in the 19s, but he ended up pitting.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GN3BtzgWEAA ... =4096x4096

Highly unlikely that the FP3 run was on super high fuel. At least not as high as in FP2. Pace was too fast for it to be proper race pace.

[CouncilorIrissa]

Leclerc almost cracked into the 19s on the medium in FP2, tyre went away from him but if he tunes it back slightly he'll have a much better average lap time than what was showcased in FP2.

Stella tends to agree the Ferrari looks quick in the race.

The FP3 one was bonkers.
19.5-19.1-19.2.
Leclerc seemingly pushed harder, but his inlap was also really quick, he was on course for another lap in the 19s, but he ended up pitting.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GN3BtzgWEAA ... =4096x4096

Highly unlikely that the FP3 run was on super high fuel run. At least not as high as in FP2. Pace was too fast for it to be proper race pace.

Never said it was.

[Space-heat]

I don't think there's anything too clever to do tomorrow. From second row, Ferrari can either try to go with S-M or S-H strategy if they want to try to take the lead as early as possible. If not and choose to start on M they need to extend until a V/SC period. This is a sure thing in Imola and will bring much bigger time gain than any kind of undercut.

In any case, it will be very hard for Ferrari both to overtake and defend due to higher aero load of beam wing, so ultimately anything more than a P3 will be a great result. They made a mistake on aero load and will suffer the consequences and that's it

Most likely to start on the Medium (M-H), as they only have used Softs, and extend as you said. Hopefully Charles can get a better start than Miami, we don't need both Ferrari's side by side in T1. Let Lando press Max and hopefully pick up the pieces.

Would have been great to save a set of Soft in Q2. They used an extra set of Softs in FP compared to McL and RBR.

[yooogurt]

Most likely to start on the Medium (M-H), as they only have used Softs, and extend as you said. Hopefully Charles can get a better start than Miami, we don't need both Ferrari's side by side in T1. Let Lando press Max and hopefully pick up the pieces.

Would have been great to save a set of Soft in Q2. They used an extra set of Softs in FP compared to McL and RBR.

One soft is basically new, there's one warm-up lap in it from q2, no?

[Space-heat]

How good is Ferrari corner exit as matter the acceleration after the updates?

Still behind RBR according to Zander Arcari - https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2024 ... imola.html.

In F1-tempo, Ferrari seem relatively fine out of the last corner compared to McL and RBR but slower to top speed.



Max does have a tow from the Hulk in this data, so maybe not representative.

[Space-heat]

Most likely to start on the Medium (M-H), as they only have used Softs, and extend as you said. Hopefully Charles can get a better start than Miami, we don't need both Ferrari's side by side in T1. Let Lando press Max and hopefully pick up the pieces.

Would have been great to save a set of Soft in Q2. They used an extra set of Softs in FP compared to McL and RBR.

One soft is basically new, there's one warm-up lap in it from q2, no?

On the race thread there was a user Search posted a sheet where all the soft tyres were 3 laps.



If you are thinking of the set from FP2, where there was a red flag in the middle of the push. Charles went back out and did a run on it (traffic with Gasley). Sainz did abort his second Medium push is Q1, but I think Charles did 2 push laps in each part of quali (Q1:2M, Q2:2S, Q3:2S).

Also if anyone knows where we can find the document Pirelli post of available tires, please let me know. Looks like - https://imgur.com/a/EJHyefO. Every race after quali I look for it, and I can never find it.