2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Sergej]

Marko said he thinks the rb20 will struggle at Monaco due to bumps and kerbs

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Max said yesterday that he had huge back pain after 20 laps over the bumps and bumps.
He wanted to lie down with a painkiller (joking). They never have had such problems with that, have they?

I think this weekend RB ran a very stiff setup, that could play a role together with riding the kerb on Variante Alta, which is quite unique in the calendar.

[PlatinumZealot]

redbull will lose constructors champ by end of year and monaco next race perez will crash like he usually does every year.perez sponsors must be paying a lot to offset any losses

Wait up. It is indeed a knee-jerk reaction to Perez and I'm guikty of it too. Check the results: Perez has finished on the podium in most of his races. He had two very poor results in Australia and Imola. But it made him look bad because Charles is also getting on the podium but is more consistent. So yeah Perez's results are decent enough to keep his seat.

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redbull will lose constructors champ by end of year and monaco next race perez will crash like he usually does every year.perez sponsors must be paying a lot to offset any losses

Wait up. It is indeed a knee-jerk reaction to Perez and I'm guikty of it too. Check the results: Perez has finished on the podium in most of his races. He had two very poor results in Australia and Imola. But it made him look bad because Charles is also getting on the podium but is more consistent. So yeah Perez's results are decent enough to keep his seat.

Look at beginning of 2022 and 2023. Strings of podiums and good results. Then he goes to Europe race 6 or so and begins the nightmare performances just as in Imola.

[chrisc90]

[PlatinumZealot]

So they won with cold tyres basically?

[Vanja #66]

So they won with cold tyres basically?

That's what the best car is usually capable of - uses a suboptimal aero package to get the balance right, suffers with tyre temp a bit, still wins from pole.

[mzso]

That would mean he cannot work for another team until 2026? Or does he get to immediately move to another team?
Nevermind. His gardening is 12 months, so he will join early 2026 if he goes to Ferrari then.

The way I have interpreted that is he has stepped down from F1 duties as of now - and will focus on the RB17 for a year when it’s expected to be complete.

That probably satisfies his gardening leave clauses on the contract, meaning he’s free to start work from ~1st quarter of 2025. May 1st onwards.


If for anyone else, that’s 5 months development into 2026 car so likely not be able to have a massive effect if he moves to another team

Seems ever more likely that he will end up at Ferrari.

[Dunlay]

So they won with cold tyres basically?

That's what the best car is usually capable of - uses a suboptimal aero package to get the balance right, suffers with tyre temp a bit, still wins from pole.

Vanja, please. You have made your feelings clear. May be you have been rubbed wrong by some hardcore Max or RB fans. But you know more than anyone else that, you need a highly skilled driver to take a suboptimal aero package on a bad day, even on the best car on the grid, to pole and win with a car that doesn't have a great balance for tyres. Max had brake issues last year in US, yet won by the skin of his teeth when Lewis charged from behind, just like in Imola. Credit where it's due.

[Sieper]

That would mean he cannot work for another team until 2026? Or does he get to immediately move to another team?
Nevermind. His gardening is 12 months, so he will join early 2026 if he goes to Ferrari then.

The way I have interpreted that is he has stepped down from F1 duties as of now - and will focus on the RB17 for a year when it’s expected to be complete.

That probably satisfies his gardening leave clauses on the contract, meaning he’s free to start work from ~1st quarter of 2025. May 1st onwards.


If for anyone else, that’s 5 months development into 2026 car so likely not be able to have a massive effect if he moves to another team

Seems ever more likely that he will end up at Ferrari.

I am convinced he will, all signals point to it. And imho a great way to finish your career (assuming he will also want to retire at some point).

[Sieper]

Marko said he thinks the rb20 will struggle at Monaco due to bumps and kerbs

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Max said yesterday that he had huge back pain after 20 laps over the bumps and bumps.
He wanted to lie down with a painkiller (joking). They never have had such problems with that, have they?

I think this weekend RB ran a very stiff setup, that could play a role together with riding the kerb on Variante Alta, which is quite unique in the calendar.

Yeah, they were literally flying, and not in a good way. Maybe that is the real reason it is called variante Alta.

[Bill]

redbull will lose constructors champ by end of year and monaco next race perez will crash like he usually does every year.perez sponsors must be paying a lot to offset any losses

Wait up. It is indeed a knee-jerk reaction to Perez and I'm guikty of it too. Check the results: Perez has finished on the podium in most of his races. He had two very poor results in Australia and Imola. But it made him look bad because Charles is also getting on the podium but is more consistent. So yeah Perez's results are decent enough to keep his seat.

perez from now on will not bit the two mclaren .he is usually 0.3 to 0.6 tenth slower than Max so you can fill a lot of cars in that gap including ferrari .the big updates maclaren and ferrari brought has changed the game .an onform yuki outqualified perez in a much slower car last year in odd races. what do you think he is going to do with much improved car merc included. Ones we get to fast-track were power and aero efficient is required then perez would breeze through cars but he will still have to start from wayback.

[Silent Storm]

redbull will lose constructors champ by end of year and monaco next race perez will crash like he usually does every year.perez sponsors must be paying a lot to offset any losses

Wait up. It is indeed a knee-jerk reaction to Perez and I'm guikty of it too. Check the results: Perez has finished on the podium in most of his races. He had two very poor results in Australia and Imola. But it made him look bad because Charles is also getting on the podium but is more consistent. So yeah Perez's results are decent enough to keep his seat.

perez from now on will not bit the two mclaren .he is usually 0.3 to 0.6 tenth slower than Max so you can fill a lot of cars in that gap including ferrari .the big updates maclaren and ferrari brought has changed the game .an onform yuki outqualified perez in a much slower car last year in odd races. what do you think he is going to do with much improved car merc included. Ones we get to fast-track were power and aero efficient is required then perez would breeze through cars but he will still have to start from wayback.

Perez had out qualified Max's ex team mates while driving mid field racing point/force india too

Many people including PZ thought Perez would do better in a fast car but that didn't turn out to be true... Either the redbull is a difficult car to drive or max is just consistently better.

I highly doubt Perez would keep extending his contract with Redbull if the car was purposely designed for Max and he basically had no chance to be fast as there are better options out there (Audi, Alpine) so it's definitely the latter.

[venkyhere]

That's what the best car is usually capable of - uses a suboptimal aero package to get the balance right, suffers with tyre temp a bit, still wins from pole.

suffers with tyre temp 'a bit' ?
Even though it's text, many of your posts, including this one, are stained with hatred towards the driver - Verstappen. Why is it so hard to acknowledge that unless the driver deploys all his skills, even the fastest car can't be hustled when plagued with sub-optimal tyres ? Last 15 laps, the grip dropped like a cliff and there was track limit penalty looming.

Do you still think the driver had no role in keeping P1 ? You are so much more knowledgeable about F1 than most of us laymen here, whose trade is not mechanical engineering or fluid dynamics. And I am shocked that you still think the driver hadn't much to do with the last 15 laps.

[Wouter]

So they won with cold tyres basically?

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That's what the best car is usually capable of - uses a suboptimal aero package to get the balance right,
suffers with tyre temp a bit, still wins from pole.

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Could you please explain me Sir why Perez finished almost a minute (55 sec) behind Max in "the best car"? Thank you.

[Vanja #66]

Vanja, please. You have made your feelings clear. May be you have been rubbed wrong by some hardcore Max or RB fans. But you know more than anyone else that, you need a highly skilled driver to take a suboptimal aero package on a bad day, even on the best car on the grid, to pole and win with a car that doesn't have a great balance for tyres. Max had brake issues last year in US, yet won by the skin of his teeth when Lewis charged from behind, just like in Imola. Credit where it's due.

I have huge respect for RBR since 2008 and Vettel's win in what was basically 2007-spec RBR car. I like the visual identity of the brand (RED Bull) and the team and am a huge admirer of late DM and the way he built the RB empire. As an aerodynamicist, I love their methodical devotion and approach to car design and perfecting the interaction between aero and suspension. As an F1 fan, RB is my second-favourite of all the top teams in the last 20+ years, regardless of many times they bested Ferrari. Am I forbidden from acknowledging their engineering excellence manifested through RB20 as the car of this season?

Max is doing exactly what a 3x Champ and 60+ race winner is supposed to do, nothing less. He's no longer a fast n furious youngster, often incapable of staying on the limit in duels. He worked hard to improve himself and has everyone's respect for his meticulous approach and refusing to miss a chance to win every race he can win. I don't feel the need to point this out every time he wins, he established himself as capable of taking the best car to the limit in every race. I also don't appreciate the downplaying of RBR's engineering team and how they keep delivering the best chassis year after year, like clockwork. Just look at the ongoing slump Mercedes suffers as soon as they lost PU advantage

Even though it's text, many of your posts, including this one, are stained with hatred towards the driver - Verstappen.

Hatred? Strong words get tossed around here like they mean nothing...

Could you please explain me Sir why Perez finished almost a minute (55 sec) behind Max in "the best car"? Thank you.

Because he started his 2nd stint with 62s gap and could only manage to shave down 7s. And of course he got the 62s gap in the first place because of silly mistake in Q2, getting hopelessly stuck in traffic for 15 laps, making another 6-7s amateur mistake in 1st stint and then losing 1-2s a lap every time a car in front pitted for fresher tyres and overtook him afterwards.