2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Fakepivot]

why Charles race engineer telling Charles to cool the car, also saw the Instagram post where the car had Much bigger cooling louvers, but the weather is cold.. whats going on?

Also, charles went over a debris and might have damaged floor :S

[Xyz22]

Raining in Fp2 could indirectly help us by minimizing the timing the others have to dial in the setup.

Fred won't be happy. They will have to change the floor for FP2

[LM10]

Can someone technically minded help it make sense to me…

Ferrari looks quick, and Charles in particular has been speaking confidently about their chances this weekend… but Ferrari have been suffering in traction and low speed all season? Which is all this track is… how are they fast?

Ferrari are always looking good in FP1, even last year. Others are yet to find proper setup most likely. Lets wait until Q3 before we draw conclusions.

Of course, this is true and an important disclaimer. I’m not suggesting they’re going to win (yet), but they unquestionably have speed. Just found it very interesting given the SF-24’s relative performance in this type of circuit characteristics. I commented on twitter last week that Monaco would be a bloodbath for us. Seems to not be the case.

With these cars there's always a decision to be made in terms of trade-off because of the synergy between suspension and floor downforce. At Monaco you don't have to give away high speed to be fast in slow speed corners. There's no reason not to go soft on suspension setting.

Also, Ferrari simply knows how to build mechanically good cars. Last time they were clearly off the pace was in 2019. In 2021 and 2022 Charles got pole and last year P3 with only a tenth off the mighty RB19.

[Xyz22]

Ferrari are always looking good in FP1, even last year. Others are yet to find proper setup most likely. Lets wait until Q3 before we draw conclusions.

Of course, this is true and an important disclaimer. I’m not suggesting they’re going to win (yet), but they unquestionably have speed. Just found it very interesting given the SF-24’s relative performance in this type of circuit characteristics. I commented on twitter last week that Monaco would be a bloodbath for us. Seems to not be the case.

With these cars there's always a decision to be made in terms of trade-off because of the synergy between suspension and floor downforce. At Monaco you don't have to give away high speed to be fast in slow speed corners. There's no reason not to go soft on suspension setting.

Also, Ferrari simply knows how to build mechanically good cars. Last time they were clearly off the pace was in 2019. In 2021 and 2022 Charles got pole and last year P3 with only a tenth off the mighty RB19.

Who knows what Charles could have done in Q3 in 2019...

[ScuderiaLeo]

Charles had great speed on the hards, though I know Ferrari were likely using a lower fuel load. He's so confident on this track.

why Charles race engineer telling Charles to cool the car, also saw the Instagram post where the car had Much bigger cooling louvers, but the weather is cold.. whats going on?

Also, charles went over a debris and might have damaged floor :S

Of course Charles of all people would be the one hit by random debris lol it just flew into his race out of nowhere

[sport777]

Of course, this is true and an important disclaimer. I’m not suggesting they’re going to win (yet), but they unquestionably have speed. Just found it very interesting given the SF-24’s relative performance in this type of circuit characteristics. I commented on twitter last week that Monaco would be a bloodbath for us. Seems to not be the case.

With these cars there's always a decision to be made in terms of trade-off because of the synergy between suspension and floor downforce. At Monaco you don't have to give away high speed to be fast in slow speed corners. There's no reason not to go soft on suspension setting.

Also, Ferrari simply knows how to build mechanically good cars. Last time they were clearly off the pace was in 2019. In 2021 and 2022 Charles got pole and last year P3 with only a tenth off the mighty RB19.

Who knows what Charles could have done in Q3 in 2019...

He wouldn’t have done anything, the Mercedes W10 was an absolute beast back then, this car has a different level of grip

[SoulPancake13]

Leclerc picked up floor damage there from Zhou, this guy's luck is unreal

Charles told his engineer he was really surprised at how much grip the medium had for his lap

[LM10]

Yeah, floor damage for Charles. He asked Bryan how many points the downforce loss is, but Bryan said he'll not tell on radio.

[Vanja #66]

Of course, this is true and an important disclaimer. I’m not suggesting they’re going to win (yet), but they unquestionably have speed. Just found it very interesting given the SF-24’s relative performance in this type of circuit characteristics. I commented on twitter last week that Monaco would be a bloodbath for us. Seems to not be the case.

Ferrari was the best in Australia S3, which is a traction sector, the car is capable of good slow speed performance. The reason they weren't as good in traction zones on other tracks is setup related, they saw bigger benefits from running stiffer suspension to be able to go quicker in mid-high-speed zones. Their pace on Hards in first outing is typical of Ferrari lately, possibly the best base setup and closest to the peak setup the car can offer of all teams.

why Charles race engineer telling Charles to cool the car, also saw the Instagram post where the car had Much bigger cooling louvers, but the weather is cold.. whats going on?

It's Monaco, it's always like this, speeds are low and everyone is opening up their bodywork to speed up the internal flow as much as possible.

[Xyz22]

We need rain in FP2 so the others can't run

[LM10]

We need rain in FP2 so the others can't run

Charles will be favourite for pole no matter what others do.

[CRazyLemon]

Can someone technically minded help it make sense to me…

Ferrari looks quick, and Charles in particular has been speaking confidently about their chances this weekend… but Ferrari have been suffering in traction and low speed all season? Which is all this track is… how are they fast?

There's a post race interview with the podium finishers for Miami where some asks Lando about prospects for Monaco bearing in mo e McLarens issues with slow speed.

His explanation is quite good, basically he said are is setup to try and maximize its performance across all the types of corners at track, this means that they suffer in the slow speed, but in Monaco you focus really on type of corner which means you're not compromised in order to e tract performance in other types of corners.

So for Ferrari it is similar, their slow speed may be very good when all the focus is on that setup.

[Vanja #66]

Charles will be favourite for pole no matter what others do.

That honour lies with Championship leader Closely followed by McLaren boys

[bananapeel23]

You're missing the point of my comment entirely.

The point is that even if the pace didn't worsen, it doesn't mean that the tyre temp statement is false. A sub-optimal temperature can still yield lap time improvement and consistent lap times over a stint due to fuel burnoff, but that doesn't mean the car wouldn't perform better if the tyres were perfect.

As the tread wears off across a stint, there is less rubber to absorb the energy. Essentially this means that you can't push as hard to warm the tyres during the end of a stint, because you overheat the tyre surface much more easily, since there simply isn't enough rubber to absorb all of the energy.

At some point it might just be worth accepting that your core temp is slightly too low, because pushing to bring it back up would cause the surface to overheat and lead to graining or blistering, which would cost you more race time overall. This would be made even worse if your car struggles to heat the tyres without pushing, especially if the track cools, meaning that you lose more of your precious tyre temperature to the road surface, forcing you to push even harder to bring the temp back up, leading to even more graining.

Your pace might be good, your lap times might keep improving and your deg may still remain fairly low. But fundamentally, you've still been forced to accept a compromise that might cost a tenth or two per lap compared to the reality where your tyre temp never dropped to begin with.

Again, I don't know if this is indeed the case with Leclerc, but as an explanation for the sudden change in relative pace compared to Norris, it does make quite a bit of sense and is certainly possible. His lap times remaining decent doesn't really disprove this theory, since we don't know how his pace would have been if he never went off. Like it is theoretically possible his pace would improve like Norris' did, it's possible it would have been roughly the same or maybe somewhere in between, we can't tell because we don't have access to the data.

If he lost pace because he went off, we could only really tell if we got access to the Ferrari data. For now we only have statements from people involved with Ferrari to use as reference, and they seem to say that him going off caused temperature issues. Since we can't conclusively disprove it, we should take their word for it, since it's the most authoritative source we have.

THERE WAS NO SUDDEN CHANGE RELATIVE TO NORRIS that wasn't explainable by Norris simply going faster.

Not Leclerc, not Verstappen, not Sainz, not anybody else did the same. If the mistake by Lerclerc was the thing that prevented him from doing the same, Sainz should have shown some magic improvement, but he didn't, either. Why did Leclerc still have Verstappen-matching pace, even when Verstappen was under threat and had every reason to push?

Come on now.

FOR THE LAST TIME. I NEVER CLAIMED LECLERC LOST PACE OR THAT HE WAS ON THE SAME PACE AS NORRIS BEFORE GOING OFF.

Norris was absolutely dropping him even before he went off, but that gap growing for at a consistent rate for the remainder of the race wouldn't be consistent with a Ferrari that has been (by far) the kindest on the tyres all season.

I'm merely saying that we can't conclusively say where Leclerc would have been if he didn't go off. There is nothing that conclusively disproves the Ferrari claim that Leclerc fell out of the right temperature window, and thus we should take his pace after going off with a grain of salt. Him reaching and exceeding his pre-off pace does not mean his pace wasn't worse than it would have been if he never went off, without having access to temperature probes, it only means that the tyre wear was offset by the fuel burning off.

[LM10]

Charles will be favourite for pole no matter what others do.

That honour lies with Championship leader Closely followed by McLaren boys

I actually think that the Ferrari will be the car to beat this weekend, but let's see.