2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

This forum contains threads to discuss teams themselves. Anything not technical about the cars, including restructuring, performances etc belongs here.
FittingMechanics
FittingMechanics
16
Joined: 19 Feb 2019, 12:10

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

chrisc90 wrote:
09 Jun 2024, 23:09
Lando was 2/3 way up the final straight when the safety car come out. Lando even questioned boxing, but his engineer was probably half a second too slow in bringing him in. So it wasn't the safety car that saved map on lap 26. Land could have called box box box when he seen the lights which would have scrambled a waiting pit crew holding station after a yellow flag. Mega late call, but would have worked.
I wouldn't say that "saved Max" as he was pretty fast as well but the timing of that SC did help Max. If it was thrown 10 seconds earlier NOR engineer would have had enough time to figure it out.

Max would have probably won even without that SC as Sainz SC bunched everyone up and VER had good pace in the dry.

User avatar
chrisc90
41
Joined: 23 Feb 2022, 21:22

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

FittingMechanics wrote:
09 Jun 2024, 23:15
chrisc90 wrote:
09 Jun 2024, 23:09
Lando was 2/3 way up the final straight when the safety car come out. Lando even questioned boxing, but his engineer was probably half a second too slow in bringing him in. So it wasn't the safety car that saved map on lap 26. Land could have called box box box when he seen the lights which would have scrambled a waiting pit crew holding station after a yellow flag. Mega late call, but would have worked.
I wouldn't say that "saved Max" as he was pretty fast as well but the timing of that SC did help Max. If it was thrown 10 seconds earlier NOR engineer would have had enough time to figure it out.

Max would have probably won even without that SC as Sainz SC bunched everyone up and VER had good pace in the dry.
Even on lap 26 there us a LONGGG way to go. Together with another SC which neutralised the race again on lap 55. Dont forget, lando had a pitstops time ahead of Max at the crossover from inters to slicks, but he decided to stay out another lap on the inter when Max crossed onto the medium. It was fully strategy at that point to whether the lead of the race was held or lost. Probably 1 lap too late for lando in responding to Max. There was certainly no gifting of Safety Cars at that point in the race and relied totally on strategy. Later SC should have put the ball marginally in Lando's court with the newer tyre, but they couldnt find the pace. If anything, the final SC gave the favour back to Lando with the newer tyre - whilst the earlier mclaren strategy marginally failed Lando
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

User avatar
langedweil
0
Joined: 23 Mar 2018, 20:51
Location: Caribbean

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

chrisc90 wrote:
09 Jun 2024, 23:28
FittingMechanics wrote:
09 Jun 2024, 23:15
chrisc90 wrote:
09 Jun 2024, 23:09
Lando was 2/3 way up the final straight when the safety car come out. Lando even questioned boxing, but his engineer was probably half a second too slow in bringing him in. So it wasn't the safety car that saved map on lap 26. Land could have called box box box when he seen the lights which would have scrambled a waiting pit crew holding station after a yellow flag. Mega late call, but would have worked.
I wouldn't say that "saved Max" as he was pretty fast as well but the timing of that SC did help Max. If it was thrown 10 seconds earlier NOR engineer would have had enough time to figure it out.

Max would have probably won even without that SC as Sainz SC bunched everyone up and VER had good pace in the dry.
Even on lap 26 there us a LONGGG way to go. Together with another SC which neutralised the race again on lap 55. Dont forget, lando had a pitstops time ahead of Max at the crossover from inters to slicks, but he decided to stay out another lap on the inter when Max crossed onto the medium. It was fully strategy at that point to whether the lead of the race was held or lost. Probably 1 lap too late for lando in responding to Max. There was certainly no gifting of Safety Cars at that point in the race and relied totally on strategy. Later SC should have put the ball marginally in Lando's court with the newer tyre, but they couldnt find the pace. If anything, the final SC gave the favour back to Lando with the newer tyre - whilst the earlier mclaren strategy marginally failed Lando

IIRC the lap before Lando pitted the gap was 20.1, when he pitted it was up to 22.
Pit exit was wet as well, so those 18s that was thought to be needed was never enough. I think Lando pitted at the right time, cuz Max's tires were getting in the right temperature window really quickly.
One lap later wouldn't have been a benefit either for that same reason.
The insane pace he had before was just not there on the mediums ...
HuggaWugga !

AR3-GP
AR3-GP
365
Joined: 06 Jul 2021, 01:22

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

langedweil wrote:
09 Jun 2024, 23:40
chrisc90 wrote:
09 Jun 2024, 23:28
FittingMechanics wrote:
09 Jun 2024, 23:15


I wouldn't say that "saved Max" as he was pretty fast as well but the timing of that SC did help Max. If it was thrown 10 seconds earlier NOR engineer would have had enough time to figure it out.

Max would have probably won even without that SC as Sainz SC bunched everyone up and VER had good pace in the dry.
Even on lap 26 there us a LONGGG way to go. Together with another SC which neutralised the race again on lap 55. Dont forget, lando had a pitstops time ahead of Max at the crossover from inters to slicks, but he decided to stay out another lap on the inter when Max crossed onto the medium. It was fully strategy at that point to whether the lead of the race was held or lost. Probably 1 lap too late for lando in responding to Max. There was certainly no gifting of Safety Cars at that point in the race and relied totally on strategy. Later SC should have put the ball marginally in Lando's court with the newer tyre, but they couldnt find the pace. If anything, the final SC gave the favour back to Lando with the newer tyre - whilst the earlier mclaren strategy marginally failed Lando

IIRC the lap before Lando pitted the gap was 20.1, when he pitted it was up to 22.
Pit exit was wet as well, so those 18s that was thought to be needed was never enough. I think Lando pitted at the right time, cuz Max's tires were getting in the right temperature window really quickly.
One lap later wouldn't have been a benefit either for that same reason.
The insane pace he had before was just not there on the mediums ...


There isn't any race where Norris kept that lead after that stop. Mclaren was already behind on the track (4 seconds back before Verstappen stopped). If Mclaren stopped first, Red Bull would have just pitted a lap later and the time Norris lost on his outlap would have given Verstappen cushion for his own out lap, just. Verstappen had 4 seconds to play with after all. Norris was the opposite, down 4 seconds and needed the overcut to be worth 8 seconds to account for his own slow outlap.

For every lap that Norris stayed out, only on the very first lap with Verstappen's outlap did the gap actually grow from 18 seconds to 21 seconds. If Norris pitted here, Norris would have come out alongside and Verstappen would have overtaken while Norris navigated his own outlap, 3-4 seconds off the pace. Norris instead stayed out an extra lap where mid-way through the lap Verstappen got tire temp and started driving the gap back down to 20 seconds.

Considering that Norris lost a further 3-4 seconds on that outlap alone just after Verstappen passed. It didn't matter at all. He never had the margin taking into account the time he would lose on his own outlap. In a bone dry track, he could fight, but on a dying track the outlap would be too difficult to defend a car going 3-4 seconds faster.
Last edited by AR3-GP on 09 Jun 2024, 23:55, edited 1 time in total.
A lion must kill its prey.

User avatar
organic
1055
Joined: 08 Jan 2022, 02:24
Location: Cambridge, UK

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

Hopefully the Barcelona package works well :D

Upcoming tracks seem to suit the car

User avatar
SKYnRacing24
0
Joined: 24 Mar 2024, 10:10

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

Max really is something else. Even when the chips are down he can squeeze his way to a win. The pedigree he's operating at is great. Thankfully were seing his qualities compared to the other drivers of his generation when cars are equal, its obvious hes head and shoulders ahead. Great drive.

Perez.......the less said the better. Most of us have made our feelings known when he got a 2 year contract extension and to celebrate he goes out in Q1 and DNF's in the race. Its good for us though because theres a fight for the WCC.

Its also nice to see the real max fans here and other forums that genuinely wanted Perez gone when the news was announced lool
“And that’s part of the game, is being able to be adaptive, and we’ve got this new car – I don’t know how it’s going to handle, hopefully she’s great.”

User avatar
chrisc90
41
Joined: 23 Feb 2022, 21:22

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

SKYnRacing24 wrote:
09 Jun 2024, 23:58

Its also nice to see the real max fans here and other forums that genuinely wanted Perez gone when the news was announced lool
I’m sure there’s a BIG handful of RB fans that are very perplexed by the decision to keep Perez on.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

User avatar
Sergej
2
Joined: 09 Apr 2024, 19:00

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

organic wrote:
09 Jun 2024, 23:54
Hopefully the Barcelona package works well :D

Upcoming tracks seem to suit the car
it HAS to work well :D car needs to regain some advantage over McLaren and Ferrari before they bring their second packages in Silverstone, DrObbs mentioned it will be a major update, let's see

Barcelona for sure will be way better than last tracks, also Silverstone I think, however McLaren will be very strong too; Austria another fuc*ing sprint so a bit of setup lottery.

CHT
CHT
-6
Joined: 14 Apr 2008, 05:24

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

Perhaps it was Ford who wish to keep Perez for 2026 due to big Mexican community in US.

Cassius
Cassius
9
Joined: 23 Sep 2019, 11:54

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

Sergej wrote:
10 Jun 2024, 00:21
organic wrote:
09 Jun 2024, 23:54
Hopefully the Barcelona package works well :D

Upcoming tracks seem to suit the car
it HAS to work well :D car needs to regain some advantage over McLaren and Ferrari before they bring their second packages in Silverstone, DrObbs mentioned it will be a major update, let's see

Barcelona for sure will be way better than last tracks, also Silverstone I think, however McLaren will be very strong too; Austria another fuc*ing sprint so a bit of setup lottery.
I expect Mclaren to be faster than RB. Since a few races Mclaren with Norris has been stronger on the harder tyre (Miami, Imola), on intermediates (Sprint qualifying China, race Canada), and on mediums he has been pretty much matching Verstappen. Deg has been better for Mclaren which is key in Barcelona and in Silverstone.

I agree the Barcelona upgrade is important for RB to regain their advantage. Although I am not expecting much. The last few upgrades haven't been a clear success (Allison even alluding to the fact they might have been a downgrade) while each Mclaren upgrade has seen an immediate effect on performance.
Their last one fixed low speed corner performance which RB has been trying to fix for a full year, with limited success.

AR3-GP
AR3-GP
365
Joined: 06 Jul 2021, 01:22

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

Right now they need an update just to draw level with Mclaren who they are currently inferior to. That's anywhere from 2 to 3 tenths. Mclaren will just return with another update in Silverstone. Barcelona has to be an RB20B or I don't see it getting much better.
A lion must kill its prey.

User avatar
organic
1055
Joined: 08 Jan 2022, 02:24
Location: Cambridge, UK

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

AR3-GP wrote:
10 Jun 2024, 00:59
Right now they need an update just to draw level with Mclaren who they are currently inferior to. That's anywhere from 2 to 3 tenths. Mclaren will just return with another update in Silverstone. Barcelona has to be an RB20B or I don't see it getting much better.
Meh. the WDC there is something like 50+ points all they need to do is produce a car equal to others to maintain the gap. Everyone will take pts from one another too.

McLaren are probably about equal or ahead of Red bull atm. If they pull another upgrade like Miami then sure they're gonna win WCC/WDC but we'll see if they can do this

User avatar
Vettel165
4
Joined: 06 Apr 2018, 20:46
Location: Maribor/Slovenia

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

What a win by Max yesterday in very difficult conditions. A masterclass.

Never underestimate amazing ability of Red Bull in terms of in-season development. Every year after summer break they always make a big step in the right direction. As they will know more and more about the new concept of the car.

Silent Storm
Silent Storm
111
Joined: 02 Feb 2015, 18:42

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

The cheapest sort of pride is national pride, every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.

User avatar
organic
1055
Joined: 08 Jan 2022, 02:24
Location: Cambridge, UK

Re: 2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

Post

Avoiding a SC for max cost Perez 3 place grid penalty for Barcelona