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According to Werner (engineer specialist for materials working in racing industry) if Ferrari planned the new floor for ENG they can not rush it for Spain for the reason of very complicated development and production process which is rigid in time span i.e. can not be rushed easy like a Sunday morning.
The only realistic thing is modified details on the floor which are attached additionally and are not part of the single piece new floor.
So we can not expect the new floor in Spain, only some details on the winglets or on the floor edges/pavement, which can be important, but not as important as a completely new floor.

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FDD wrote:
19 Jun 2024, 16:59
According to Werner (engineer specialist for materials working in racing industry) if Ferrari planned the new floor for ENG they can not rush it for Spain for the reason of very complicated development and production process which is rigid in time span i.e. can not be rushed easy like a Sunday morning.
The only realistic thing is modified details on the floor which are attached additionally and are not part of the single piece new floor.
So we can not expect the new floor in Spain, only some details on the winglets or on the floor edges/pavement, which can be important, but not as important as a completely new floor.
That's not really correct, McLaren did this by rushing Imola update to Miami also by two weeks - but only by bringing one set of bodywork parts and floor for Norris and front wings for both drivers. Ferrari won't bring entire package to Barcelona according to Italian media, just the floor and maybe some bits of bodywork. With budget cap and limited number of parts and packages that can be made, top teams have an excess of manufacturing capacity, so rushing updates partially by 1-2 weeks is very doable.
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Vanja #66 wrote:
19 Jun 2024, 21:29
FDD wrote:
19 Jun 2024, 16:59
According to Werner (engineer specialist for materials working in racing industry) if Ferrari planned the new floor for ENG they can not rush it for Spain for the reason of very complicated development and production process which is rigid in time span i.e. can not be rushed easy like a Sunday morning.
The only realistic thing is modified details on the floor which are attached additionally and are not part of the single piece new floor.
So we can not expect the new floor in Spain, only some details on the winglets or on the floor edges/pavement, which can be important, but not as important as a completely new floor.
That's not really correct, McLaren did this by rushing Imola update to Miami also by two weeks - but only by bringing one set of bodywork parts and floor for Norris and front wings for both drivers. Ferrari won't bring entire package to Barcelona according to Italian media, just the floor and maybe some bits of bodywork. With budget cap and limited number of parts and packages that can be made, top teams have an excess of manufacturing capacity, so rushing updates partially by 1-2 weeks is very doable.
Partially I can agree with you.
Why?
We do not know what is happening in the factory ie we have only their statements!!
I'll put McL a side now, not to complicate too much.
We have info from Ferrari that the new floor is for ENG in pipeline, but also we do not know when they started to develop, we do not have exact info on that and we'll never get such info for the ongoing season at least.
If they planed for ENG and rush it for Spain it is maybe possible to develop and then produce 1 or maybe 2 pieces for single car which is also hard to believe if the timeline info is correct and not speculated by them.
Production itself is also very very complicated because in the single piece floor different installations must be included.
Little winglets, forms of the floor pavement and other appendixes are easy to add as a walk in a park as we already see.
Then we do not have pics of the floor underneath, only of the diff if I remember right and then we need the same pics of the floor from Spain.
This guy works directly in the racing industry on developing and production of carbon parts, but I do not know where, cause he has non disclosure agreement on that, even he can not speak for which category of racing. He precisely know in a single day deviation time needed to develop/produce for all pieces of the car from different materials and he was always 100% right.
However if Ferrari declare (which is must if I am right?) a new floor (even for single car) then that is for sure that they speculated for the timeline. You can read this as that they were 100% sure for ENG but not 100% sure for Spain and certainly they did not tell this in public. I want to say that they certainly did not change their plan in the last 2 weeks for the aforementioned reasons. I think you understand my point.
At the end of the day I hope that they have plan to eventually bring this floor for Spain and you know why I hope for this :)

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It turns out Ferrari has a new rear wing, mid-high loaded. Formula.uno guys on the spot it seems

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Not much, but smaller than Monaco wing

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Vanja #66 wrote:
20 Jun 2024, 13:59
It turns out Ferrari has a new rear wing, mid-high loaded. Formula.uno guys on the spot it seems
Imola main plane, Monaco top element?
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No. Look at the corner radius of the mainplane

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SiLo wrote:
20 Jun 2024, 14:13
Imola main plane, Monaco top element?
Everything's all new. Here's a detailed comparison, all wings are scaled to the same flap span. Barcelona mid-high-load wing is very similar in nature to Imola wing, but substantially bigger camber and thickness at the tip. Both those wings are also short of using full "height" along Z axis, unlike Monaco-spec wing

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Vanja #66 wrote:
20 Jun 2024, 13:59
It turns out Ferrari has a new rear wing, mid-high loaded. Formula.uno guys on the spot it seems

https://formu1a.uno/wp-content/uploads/ ... ari-3.webp

https://formu1a.uno/wp-content/uploads/ ... ari-4.webp

Not much, but smaller than Monaco wing

https://static.sky.it/editorialimages/6 ... ,width=750
If I learned right from you thread on this topic, main plane for Spain is more Monaco like but with smaller cross section i.e. lower DF from Monaco and higher then Imola.
Hot wether, without stupid mistakes can make SF24 winner in Spain, I think.

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New sidepod bodywork and front of the floor on the car. Much tighter and a different curvature along the the sidepod-floor junction (g-line), could be drag improvement. Original photos courtesy of motorsport.com, comparison is my own

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Also a few more angles on new rear wing. Like Imola update on rear wing, this one too has a very small camber at the very tip, looks like tip+endplate sections are very low drag, could be a very efficient rear wing overall

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This new rear wing will likely be seen as frequently as the first rear wing from early season.

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The edge wing has "lost" one of it's supports, the one more towards the rear(without being the one that attaches to where the floor continues past the edge wing).

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It seems we're fully back to the 'reduce sidepod' paradigm, which consequently means that packaging is going to becoming incredibly crucial again. 2022 was a bit of fresh air in this regard given that Ferrari's aero concept worked well even with a wide sidepod design, but no more.