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Ricciardo still going, ridiculous. Visacashapp should be breeding young talents, but instead, they are giving CPR to Ricciardo's career and letting Lawson go. This is politics a la Horner and his crush on Perez and Ricciardo. Jos Verstappen was right. Horner is destroying the team slowly, piece by piece.TeamKoolGreen wrote:It looks like Red Bull and RB are going to push all of this inevitable change to next year. Riccardo is probably staying for another year.
In my view it is all a mistake. Except Yuki. Lawson should be at RB in 25 so that he can move up to Perezes seat if h cuts it.
.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑17 Jun 2024, 21:26Ricciardo still going, ridiculous. Visacashapp should be breeding young talents, but instead, they are giving CPR to Ricciardo's career and letting Lawson go. This is politics a la Horner and his crush on Perez and Ricciardo. Jos Verstappen was right. Horner is destroying the team slowly, piece by piece.TeamKoolGreen wrote:It looks like Red Bull and RB are going to push all of this inevitable change to next year. Riccardo is probably staying for another year.
In my view it is all a mistake. Except Yuki. Lawson should be at RB in 25 so that he can move up to Perezes seat if h cuts it.
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........ Rookie Lawson has had only a couple of races in the middle of the season, so of course, he has more potential. No one else wants Ricciardo except the Red Bull organization because he has underperformed since 2021 and is still going on. Marko said that Ricciardo should crush Tsunoda to have a Red Bull seat, but it's going the other way at the moment, so why are they dragging this PR clown who clearly has no potential left to be a top driver? Red Bull is already after Norris, so where do they even need Ricciardo? They were considering Sainz if Horner hadn't taken over the negotiations from Marko and signed Perez because Perez is one of the rare people who publicly supported Horner during his sex scandal. This is Horner's show when they hire these shitty drivers like Pérez and Ricciardo.runningmanz wrote:Eh? Ricciardo is not just some pay driver who only brings in sponsors. I'll never understand why some seem to enjoy constantly running a driver down and not giving them any respect for everything they bring to the table including in Dan's case also a wealth of F1 value and experience to a team like Vcarb. Comparing Ricciardo to Perez is ridiculous. Perez is crashing almost every other week , having horrendous qualli sessions still ( who fails to make Q3 5 times in a row in that all conquering RBR like he did last year??) and is getting worse unlike Dan. That RBR should never be out of Q3.
Dan also now has nearly half the points of Yuki and we are only barely past 1/3 of this season. Its certainly not out of the question he can pass Yuki's WDC total by season's end. As others have also mentioned too
Its 19-9
Hulk is up 6-1
Alonso up 41-17
Albon up 2-0
Dan is nowhere near the worst vs performer this season and is gaining on Yuki.
Lawson was on average 0.3 off Tsunoda's pace, Ricciardo at the moment averages 0.1 and is comparable come race day
The gap between Tsunoda and Lawsons respective qualifying performances actually grew with each race.
Monza - 0.164
Singapore - 0.175 (Tsunoda did not set a Q2 time, only a Q1 time that was faster than any time Lawson set in Q1,2 or 3.)
Japan - 0.304
Qatar - 0.577
Again we all know Dan brings a hell of alot more than just sponsorship money. IE: race winning experience, highly commendable car development and direction, high performance ceiling (when he is comfortable in a car), exceptional wheel to wheel driving, safe pair of hands (rarely crashes), team motivation, team player, young driver mentorship, more team fans (via large popularity) etc.
As for Horner destroying the team thats nonsense. Since Ricciardo joined with his car development and direction Vcarbs car performance has gone from last to almost 5th best AND ahead of schedule as Mekies mentioned recently. Not to mention bringing more eyes on Vcarb and popularity too.
Where is there any guarantee Lawson would be doing any better than Dan now or brings more overall value to the team and what they currently want to achieve or the trajectory they are on?? Bayer wanted one older experienced driver not two young bucks.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 05:47Rookie Lawson has had only a couple of races in the middle of the season, so of course, he has more potential. No one else wants Ricciardo except the Red Bull organization because he has underperformed since 2021 and is still going on. Marko said that Ricciardo should crush Tsunoda to have a Red Bull seat, but it's going the other way at the moment, so why are they dragging this PR clown who clearly has no potential left to be a top driver? Red Bull is already after Norris, so where do they even need Ricciardo? They were considering Sainz if Horner hadn't taken over the negotiations from Marko and signed Perez because Perez is one of the rare people who publicly supported Horner during his sex scandal. This is Horner's show when they hire these shitty drivers like Pérez and Ricciardo.runningmanz wrote:Eh? Ricciardo is not just some pay driver who only brings in sponsors. I'll never understand why some seem to enjoy constantly running a driver down and not giving them any respect for everything they bring to the table including in Dan's case also a wealth of F1 value and experience to a team like Vcarb. Comparing Ricciardo to Perez is ridiculous. Perez is crashing almost every other week , having horrendous qualli sessions still ( who fails to make Q3 5 times in a row in that all conquering RBR like he did last year??) and is getting worse unlike Dan. That RBR should never be out of Q3.
Dan also now has nearly half the points of Yuki and we are only barely past 1/3 of this season. Its certainly not out of the question he can pass Yuki's WDC total by season's end. As others have also mentioned too
Its 19-9
Hulk is up 6-1
Alonso up 41-17
Albon up 2-0
Dan is nowhere near the worst vs performer this season and is gaining on Yuki.
Lawson was on average 0.3 off Tsunoda's pace, Ricciardo at the moment averages 0.1 and is comparable come race day
The gap between Tsunoda and Lawsons respective qualifying performances actually grew with each race.
Monza - 0.164
Singapore - 0.175 (Tsunoda did not set a Q2 time, only a Q1 time that was faster than any time Lawson set in Q1,2 or 3.)
Japan - 0.304
Qatar - 0.577
Again we all know Dan brings a hell of alot more than just sponsorship money. IE: race winning experience, highly commendable car development and direction, high performance ceiling (when he is comfortable in a car), exceptional wheel to wheel driving, safe pair of hands (rarely crashes), team motivation, team player, young driver mentorship, more team fans (via large popularity) etc.
As for Horner destroying the team thats nonsense. Since Ricciardo joined with his car development and direction Vcarbs car performance has gone from last to almost 5th best AND ahead of schedule as Mekies mentioned recently. Not to mention bringing more eyes on Vcarb and popularity too.
Without Horner, Sainz would drive the Red Bull and Lawson the Visa RB, with Newey still at the Red Bull.
Toro Rosso and AlphaTauri used to be teams that bred new talents, not F1 driver graveyards. If Mateschitz were still alive, Ricciardo would never have gotten back behind the wheel, and they would have seen how much potential Lawson has. They are crazy if they let Lawson go and keep Ricciardo, who is getting beaten by Tsunoda, who has been fighting for contracts from season to season. But that's the thing with the Red Bull organization these days. They look at who brings in the most money and PR, not talent.runningmanz wrote:Where is there any guarantee Lawson would be doing any better than Dan now or brings more overall value to the team and what they currently want to achieve or the trajectory they are on?? As for calling Ricciardo a clown thats just completely disrespectful and shows your negative bias against him. All you have stated is overblown drama without any overview of the bigger picture nor based it on any real data of what has actually happened. Basically a Ricciardo and Horner hater..Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 05:47Rookie Lawson has had only a couple of races in the middle of the season, so of course, he has more potential. No one else wants Ricciardo except the Red Bull organization because he has underperformed since 2021 and is still going on. Marko said that Ricciardo should crush Tsunoda to have a Red Bull seat, but it's going the other way at the moment, so why are they dragging this PR clown who clearly has no potential left to be a top driver? Red Bull is already after Norris, so where do they even need Ricciardo? They were considering Sainz if Horner hadn't taken over the negotiations from Marko and signed Perez because Perez is one of the rare people who publicly supported Horner during his sex scandal. This is Horner's show when they hire these shitty drivers like Pérez and Ricciardo.runningmanz wrote:Eh? Ricciardo is not just some pay driver who only brings in sponsors. I'll never understand why some seem to enjoy constantly running a driver down and not giving them any respect for everything they bring to the table including in Dan's case also a wealth of F1 value and experience to a team like Vcarb. Comparing Ricciardo to Perez is ridiculous. Perez is crashing almost every other week , having horrendous qualli sessions still ( who fails to make Q3 5 times in a row in that all conquering RBR like he did last year??) and is getting worse unlike Dan. That RBR should never be out of Q3.
Dan also now has nearly half the points of Yuki and we are only barely past 1/3 of this season. Its certainly not out of the question he can pass Yuki's WDC total by season's end. As others have also mentioned too
Its 19-9
Hulk is up 6-1
Alonso up 41-17
Albon up 2-0
Dan is nowhere near the worst vs performer this season and is gaining on Yuki.
Lawson was on average 0.3 off Tsunoda's pace, Ricciardo at the moment averages 0.1 and is comparable come race day
The gap between Tsunoda and Lawsons respective qualifying performances actually grew with each race.
Monza - 0.164
Singapore - 0.175 (Tsunoda did not set a Q2 time, only a Q1 time that was faster than any time Lawson set in Q1,2 or 3.)
Japan - 0.304
Qatar - 0.577
Again we all know Dan brings a hell of alot more than just sponsorship money. IE: race winning experience, highly commendable car development and direction, high performance ceiling (when he is comfortable in a car), exceptional wheel to wheel driving, safe pair of hands (rarely crashes), team motivation, team player, young driver mentorship, more team fans (via large popularity) etc.
As for Horner destroying the team thats nonsense. Since Ricciardo joined with his car development and direction Vcarbs car performance has gone from last to almost 5th best AND ahead of schedule as Mekies mentioned recently. Not to mention bringing more eyes on Vcarb and popularity too.
Without Horner, Sainz would drive the Red Bull and Lawson the Visa RB, with Newey still at the Red Bull.
it will be a mistake to assume that just because Ric gets beaten by yuki then he must be a rubbish driver.he did fare well against Max.when yuki came into f1 he didnot take his work seriously and was a bit of a rebel,but since 2022 when he moved to italy he has been on an upward curve.the truth maybe yuki is a top driver and ric is not that bad.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 06:05Toro Rosso and AlphaTauri used to be teams that bred new talents, not F1 driver graveyards. If Mateschitz were still alive, Ricciardo would never have gotten back behind the wheel, and they would have seen how much potential Lawson has. They are crazy if they let Lawson go and keep Ricciardo, who is getting beaten by Tsunoda, who has been fighting for contracts from season to season. But that's the thing with the Red Bull organization these days. They look at who brings in the most money and PR, not talent.runningmanz wrote:Where is there any guarantee Lawson would be doing any better than Dan now or brings more overall value to the team and what they currently want to achieve or the trajectory they are on?? As for calling Ricciardo a clown thats just completely disrespectful and shows your negative bias against him. All you have stated is overblown drama without any overview of the bigger picture nor based it on any real data of what has actually happened. Basically a Ricciardo and Horner hater..Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 05:47Rookie Lawson has had only a couple of races in the middle of the season, so of course, he has more potential. No one else wants Ricciardo except the Red Bull organization because he has underperformed since 2021 and is still going on. Marko said that Ricciardo should crush Tsunoda to have a Red Bull seat, but it's going the other way at the moment, so why are they dragging this PR clown who clearly has no potential left to be a top driver? Red Bull is already after Norris, so where do they even need Ricciardo? They were considering Sainz if Horner hadn't taken over the negotiations from Marko and signed Perez because Perez is one of the rare people who publicly supported Horner during his sex scandal. This is Horner's show when they hire these shitty drivers like Pérez and Ricciardo.
Without Horner, Sainz would drive the Red Bull and Lawson the Visa RB, with Newey still at the Red Bull.
When has Ricciardo had a decent season in F1? His last decent performance was in 2020. How many years does one driver need to get back to that "own level"? Not many drivers get a four-year grace period and still keep going. Thanks to Horner. This is ridiculous when people just won't accept Ric can't drive this era's cars.Bill wrote:it will be a mistake to assume that just because Ric gets beaten by yuki then he must be a rubbish driver.he did fare well against Max.when yuki came into f1 he didnot take his work seriously and was a bit of a rebel,but since 2022 when he moved to italy he has been on an upward curve.the truth maybe yuki is a top driver and ric is not that bad.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 06:05Toro Rosso and AlphaTauri used to be teams that bred new talents, not F1 driver graveyards. If Mateschitz were still alive, Ricciardo would never have gotten back behind the wheel, and they would have seen how much potential Lawson has. They are crazy if they let Lawson go and keep Ricciardo, who is getting beaten by Tsunoda, who has been fighting for contracts from season to season. But that's the thing with the Red Bull organization these days. They look at who brings in the most money and PR, not talent.runningmanz wrote:
Where is there any guarantee Lawson would be doing any better than Dan now or brings more overall value to the team and what they currently want to achieve or the trajectory they are on?? As for calling Ricciardo a clown thats just completely disrespectful and shows your negative bias against him. All you have stated is overblown drama without any overview of the bigger picture nor based it on any real data of what has actually happened. Basically a Ricciardo and Horner hater..
In my observation, there are folks that support a driver, regardless of how bad the driver is, because they have same nationality. Quality really doesn't matter, as long as he is a countryman. I guess it's the same thing at play here. Except for couple of members, I haven't seen anyone really defending Daniel. It's probably the same hypothesis. He doesn't deserve to be in the that team and a young driver is being held back by keeping him.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024, 19:12When has Ricciardo had a decent season in F1? His last decent performance was in 2020. How many years does one driver need to get back to that "own level"? Not many drivers get a four-year grace period and still keep going. Thanks to Horner. This is ridiculous when people just won't accept Ric can't drive this era's cars.Bill wrote:it will be a mistake to assume that just because Ric gets beaten by yuki then he must be a rubbish driver.he did fare well against Max.when yuki came into f1 he didnot take his work seriously and was a bit of a rebel,but since 2022 when he moved to italy he has been on an upward curve.the truth maybe yuki is a top driver and ric is not that bad.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 06:05Toro Rosso and AlphaTauri used to be teams that bred new talents, not F1 driver graveyards. If Mateschitz were still alive, Ricciardo would never have gotten back behind the wheel, and they would have seen how much potential Lawson has. They are crazy if they let Lawson go and keep Ricciardo, who is getting beaten by Tsunoda, who has been fighting for contracts from season to season. But that's the thing with the Red Bull organization these days. They look at who brings in the most money and PR, not talent.
Considering the time he did in the RB19 test at Silverstone would have been good enough for him to start the race on the front row alongside Max, and he put last years TR alongside Max in Mexico, your arguments don’t stack up.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024, 19:12When has Ricciardo had a decent season in F1? His last decent performance was in 2020. How many years does one driver need to get back to that "own level"? Not many drivers get a four-year grace period and still keep going. Thanks to Horner. This is ridiculous when people just won't accept Ric can't drive this era's cars.Bill wrote:it will be a mistake to assume that just because Ric gets beaten by yuki then he must be a rubbish driver.he did fare well against Max.when yuki came into f1 he didnot take his work seriously and was a bit of a rebel,but since 2022 when he moved to italy he has been on an upward curve.the truth maybe yuki is a top driver and ric is not that bad.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 06:05Toro Rosso and AlphaTauri used to be teams that bred new talents, not F1 driver graveyards. If Mateschitz were still alive, Ricciardo would never have gotten back behind the wheel, and they would have seen how much potential Lawson has. They are crazy if they let Lawson go and keep Ricciardo, who is getting beaten by Tsunoda, who has been fighting for contracts from season to season. But that's the thing with the Red Bull organization these days. They look at who brings in the most money and PR, not talent.
De Vries effect. They hire him based on one race and what was the result?djos wrote:Considering the time he did in the RB19 test at Silverstone would have been good enough for him to start the race on the front row alongside Max, and he put last years TR alongside Max in Mexico, your arguments don’t stack up.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024, 19:12When has Ricciardo had a decent season in F1? His last decent performance was in 2020. How many years does one driver need to get back to that "own level"? Not many drivers get a four-year grace period and still keep going. Thanks to Horner. This is ridiculous when people just won't accept Ric can't drive this era's cars.Bill wrote: it will be a mistake to assume that just because Ric gets beaten by yuki then he must be a rubbish driver.he did fare well against Max.when yuki came into f1 he didnot take his work seriously and was a bit of a rebel,but since 2022 when he moved to italy he has been on an upward curve.the truth maybe yuki is a top driver and ric is not that bad.
Yes, he needs to get his head straight and produce consistent results, but the indications are that he’s turned that corner.
