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A perfect plan of execution and a quick rectification of falling behind Russell at the start were key to Max Verstappen's victory at the Spanish Grand Prix. Lando Norris eventually came close but finished second ahead of Lewis Hamilton who confirmed the resurgence of Mercedes.
The car actually looked broken indeed, though. He was like a second off from everyone else in Monaco and Montreal, which normally just doesn't happen. Yesterday he was somewhat competitive, at least
It’s half a sec though. Save for the quali session ‘failures’ PIA & PER, it’s the largest gap. Moving forward you have to take the updated car & just figure it out, because if the 0.5s is all in the upgrades you’ve got no chance to change the narrative with that deficit
After the last three races and after this quality one can hardly say the RB20 is in a different league. I don't know what happened but McLaren closed the gap, and now has the edge in low speed corners it seems. That is where the most time is gained. It looks like the better overall package. I can't see Verstappen pulling away today like he could in the first 5 races.ringo wrote: ↑22 Jun 2024, 23:35The Mcl has not surpased the RB20. RB20 still the better car. Lando is just doing his thing. Just by the mere fact some corners are full throttle for Max is enough evidence the RB20 is still in a different league. It maybe just needed less setbacks on Friday to extract more. If you have the best high speed cornering and better corner exits and braking like Rb20, then it's difficult to be beaten over the race. There is more margin to manage the race. My opinion, but I see Lando needing to push more to keep ahead. We have had close Qually all year and redbull still in a different league in the races. But who knows!venkyhere wrote: ↑22 Jun 2024, 19:13Was looking at the final quali lap telemtry traces of NOR and VER, courtesy F1-tempo
- T5 and T7 is where Norris is gaining a cumulative 0.2
- T10 (and T13-14 is where VER is clawing back this same 0.2
- inherent driving style difference means VER is braking earlier and entering corners earlier, inorder to get onto throttle slightly earlier at exit (the 'more straightning of corners' driving style I was referring to last week). NOR is however, much smoother (like Button) with his brake and throttle inputs and carries higher minimal speeds through corners, helped possibly by the MCL38 being superior to RB20 in their current setups, when it comes to slow/medium corners. The Mclaren is able to rotate better than the more understeery RB20, I think. High-speed corners, RB20 is the undisputed king. The only exception to this is T10 where both cars/drivers are behaving almost exactly same.
It's almost confirmed in my mind, that the MCL38 has matched (possibly even surpassed) the RB20 in terms of ability. The Mclaren is, I believe, a much wider-window car than the RB20 as of today. The way they are going about the weekend, is with clockwork efficiency and precision like what RB19 used to do in 2023 - no setup drama, no driver complaints, right on the money from FP1 itself. The only remaining doubt is how the tyre deg of MCL38 (in normal summer temp conditions) is going to be, w.r.t the RB20. If that too proves better tomorrow, we can safely say the Mclaren is THE CAR of 2024, usurping the crown from RB20.
I guess on RBR's side it's simply the outcome of the turmoil of the first few months that put them on the backfoot. That and the fact that the dev ceiling is getting closer and closer.Aesop wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 10:29After the last three races and after this quality one can hardly say the RB20 is in a different league. I don't know what happened but McLaren closed the gap, and now has the edge in low speed corners it seems. That is where the most time is gained. It looks like the better overall package. I can't see Verstappen pulling away today like he could in the first 5 races.ringo wrote: ↑22 Jun 2024, 23:35The Mcl has not surpased the RB20. RB20 still the better car. Lando is just doing his thing. Just by the mere fact some corners are full throttle for Max is enough evidence the RB20 is still in a different league. It maybe just needed less setbacks on Friday to extract more. If you have the best high speed cornering and better corner exits and braking like Rb20, then it's difficult to be beaten over the race. There is more margin to manage the race. My opinion, but I see Lando needing to push more to keep ahead. We have had close Qually all year and redbull still in a different league in the races. But who knows!venkyhere wrote: ↑22 Jun 2024, 19:13Was looking at the final quali lap telemtry traces of NOR and VER, courtesy F1-tempo
- T5 and T7 is where Norris is gaining a cumulative 0.2
- T10 (and T13-14 is where VER is clawing back this same 0.2
- inherent driving style difference means VER is braking earlier and entering corners earlier, inorder to get onto throttle slightly earlier at exit (the 'more straightning of corners' driving style I was referring to last week). NOR is however, much smoother (like Button) with his brake and throttle inputs and carries higher minimal speeds through corners, helped possibly by the MCL38 being superior to RB20 in their current setups, when it comes to slow/medium corners. The Mclaren is able to rotate better than the more understeery RB20, I think. High-speed corners, RB20 is the undisputed king. The only exception to this is T10 where both cars/drivers are behaving almost exactly same.
It's almost confirmed in my mind, that the MCL38 has matched (possibly even surpassed) the RB20 in terms of ability. The Mclaren is, I believe, a much wider-window car than the RB20 as of today. The way they are going about the weekend, is with clockwork efficiency and precision like what RB19 used to do in 2023 - no setup drama, no driver complaints, right on the money from FP1 itself. The only remaining doubt is how the tyre deg of MCL38 (in normal summer temp conditions) is going to be, w.r.t the RB20. If that too proves better tomorrow, we can safely say the Mclaren is THE CAR of 2024, usurping the crown from RB20.
You can compare Verstappen's both Q3 laps. In the second one he gained around one and a half tenths to his first run.organic wrote: ↑22 Jun 2024, 20:30Considering that when neither car was being towed, McLaren were gaining time to RB on the main straight:
The tow from Perez was worth about a tenth for Verstappen, even if Norris also received one.
https://i.postimg.cc/tgFrCv4F/image.png
Without the tow, the gap to pole would've approached 2 tenths. (2 hundredths + usual deficit in straight to McLaren + 1 tenth from tow)
Just from pure math on laptime, the 2024 car is 1.2% faster than the 2023 car.Silent Storm wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 13:30What I found interesting was that track temperatures were 10° higher in 2024 compared to 2023. This doesn’t look good for Ferrari…
Ha ha ha nice one... loved the alpines.mclaren111 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 14:05https://scontent-jnb2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=667DD450
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