2 tenths is absolutely massive, these wings are what transformed the mercs and the mclarens. Also, not just on pace alone, but then you can stack more DF which will protect the tyres better, etc, it's a compound effect.organic wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 17:43Considering the rate of development of McLaren currently and their 3rd position in WCC with upcoming redistribution of ATR allowance, losing title fights is a very real possibility if the silverstone package does not deliver a significant gain.
Not sure how much a flexi front wing could bring when it does arrive (hopefully before the summer break?) but surely we're talking about a tenth maybe two at most. That won't be enough and it's certainly not a magic bullet
I don't think so. I will explain why
That's true, however, even if they have the fastest car, Norris/McLaren doesn't seem to be so experienced as RedBull, maximizing all of their potential. If you give them the pace benefit, you also have to acknowledge the operation/consistency advantage that Max/RedBull seem to still have.organic wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 17:52I don't think so. I will explain why
The mcl38 has been good at curbs, bumps, smooth asphalt, rough asphalt, now aero track like Barcelona. When rb20 has a bad weekend due to curbing like it will be at for instance Singapore we are talking about being the 4th fastest.
When McLaren have an off weekend in terms of performance they will be a close 2nd fastest or a very close 3rd like we saw at Canada and Monaco. And that's before their future upgrades.
When you have off-weekends like the rb20 will have there can be big swings in the championship
Edge over Mclaren in Austria? with what? The catering?
I don't think Austria will be good at all. Thin air only undermines the only remaining strength of the rb20 which is efficiency
Yes, it is a good point and usually forgotten.lio007 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 18:13We have to consider McLaren had 25% more aero development allowance until 31st December 2023 than RBR.
From Jan-Jun 2024 they had 15% more which will be reduced by another 5% from 1st July onwards.
Still 10% more than RBR but they have to be a bit more selective on what they are going to test in the wind tunnel/CFD.
Mercedes is a big winner IMO, from 1st of July they gain 10% more testing allowance.
RBR has the least testing allowance since 1st of July 2021!!!
That was the whole point of these regulations! If not for Red Bull have gained a massive advantage at the start of 2022 and the other teams fluffing it so badly, we would be seeing the performance rotation for more than what we have seen. Red Bull did a good job and have almost pocketed 3 double titles. In such a restricted set of regulations, winning 3 double titles is going to be a massive achievement. Nothing to really crib about if the inevitable of chasing pack catching up is materializing. It's a good thing for F1.Paa wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 18:21Yes, it is a good point and usually forgotten.lio007 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 18:13We have to consider McLaren had 25% more aero development allowance until 31st December 2023 than RBR.
From Jan-Jun 2024 they had 15% more which will be reduced by another 5% from 1st July onwards.
Still 10% more than RBR but they have to be a bit more selective on what they are going to test in the wind tunnel/CFD.
Mercedes is a big winner IMO, from 1st of July they gain 10% more testing allowance.
RBR has the least testing allowance since 1st of July 2021!!!
People said this doesn't have any effect, just because RedBull didn't lose it's great advantage in 3 months.
But it clearly makes a difference in longer term.
then it will be damage limitation, I think also Ferrari will be strong there, let's see.