2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[deadhead]

If some of this is true it’s sounding like the SF24 doesn’t allow for much in terms of in season development so they are once again going with a different concept for 2025 instead of building on what they currently have:

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10633770/

[codetower]

If some of this is true it’s sounding like the SF24 doesn’t allow for much in terms of in season development so they are once again going with a different concept for 2025 instead of building on what they currently have:

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10633770/

For me, the curiosity of all those "Lewis' car" rumors is that if true, Ferrari again will be basically telling Charles he has to adapt to a Machine that is not all to HIS liking... basically for someone (Lewis) who will come in for a couple of years maximum.

Another piece in that article is that Ferrari will revert back to the NEW spec in Hungary, but then Back to the OLD spec at Spa. Are they still building spare parts for both specs? Seems costly.

[dialtone]

If some of this is true it’s sounding like the SF24 doesn’t allow for much in terms of in season development so they are once again going with a different concept for 2025 instead of building on what they currently have:

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10633770/

For me, the curiosity of all those "Lewis' car" rumors is that if true, Ferrari again will be basically telling Charles he has to adapt to a Machine that is not all to HIS liking... basically for someone (Lewis) who will come in for a couple of years maximum.

If Ferrari was capable of building a car for the specific needs of a driver they have never had driving one of their cars, they would never have update issues.

Another piece in that article is that Ferrari will revert back to the NEW spec in Hungary, but then Back to the OLD spec at Spa. Are they still building spare parts for both specs? Seems costly.

They have to do it this way. The update works and they need to learn why they are having issues with it and fix them, abandoning the update means they learn nothing, on top of it, if that's the best development path they could think of there may be no alternative.

[codetower]

If some of this is true it’s sounding like the SF24 doesn’t allow for much in terms of in season development so they are once again going with a different concept for 2025 instead of building on what they currently have:

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10633770/

For me, the curiosity of all those "Lewis' car" rumors is that if true, Ferrari again will be basically telling Charles he has to adapt to a Machine that is not all to HIS liking... basically for someone (Lewis) who will come in for a couple of years maximum.

If Ferrari was capable of building a car for the specific needs of a driver they have never had driving one of their cars, they would never have update issues.

Another piece in that article is that Ferrari will revert back to the NEW spec in Hungary, but then Back to the OLD spec at Spa. Are they still building spare parts for both specs? Seems costly.

They have to do it this way. The update works and they need to learn why they are having issues with it and fix them, abandoning the update means they learn nothing, on top of it, if that's the best development path they could think of there may be no alternative.

I"m not a car developer so I wont pretend to know how these things are done, but all I hear is how car development can follow a certain drivers "style". Didn't Carlos's camp say that this car will be more suited towards his driving style? And didn't Mercedes move the cockpit forward a little to suit Lewis style? I would imagine if Verstappen prefers a stiffer rear suspension that RB would develop with a goal more towards a stiffer rear. Again, not trying to argue, just trying to understand what all the talk about "building a car to suit Lewis" means.

Regarding the updates, I agree that they need/should keep the new upgrades, I was wondering why they would go back to the old spec at a track where the data for the new spec would absolutely help them fixing the issues. Is it just lack of time to try anything out on that track? If they aren't developing for the old spec anymore, then I say keep pushing with the new one. I doubt they'll end up higher than P6 with the old spec at Spa, so I would keep testing/developing the new spec.

[jambuka]

Seems like a technical failure. They chose this 24 concept because they felt it can be developed a lot. Now they are again changing their concert in the last year of regulations ?

[FDD]

If some of this is true it’s sounding like the SF24 doesn’t allow for much in terms of in season development so they are once again going with a different concept for 2025 instead of building on what they currently have:

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10633770/

Franco Nugnes, he was working for a decades in F1 mainly as a chief designer, as 99,99% of the journalists.
They can easy make Ferrari to win both titles but they do not have challenge for that kind of simplicity.
But it is very good for Gestione Sportiva to read texts from all the journalists to find the real solution for suspension kinematics, aero approach...
BTW Ferrari run in ENG different aero packages with same suspension for the two cars and they found substantial differences, guess what, the main cause was the suspension!!!!!
They must go with pull rod front, when will they understand that simple fact???

[MattLightBlue]

If some of this is true it’s sounding like the SF24 doesn’t allow for much in terms of in season development so they are once again going with a different concept for 2025 instead of building on what they currently have:

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10633770/

Franco Nugnes, he was working for a decades in F1 mainly as a chief designer, as 99,99% of the journalists.
They can easy make Ferrari to win both titles but they do not have challenge for that kind of simplicity.
But it is very good for Gestione Sportiva to read texts from all the journalists to find the real solution for suspension kinematics, aero approach...
BTW Ferrari run in ENG different aero packages with same suspension for the two cars and they found substantial differences, guess what, the main cause was the suspension!!!!!
They must go with pull rod front, when will they understand that simple fact???

I know that we do not have a lot of sources and we have to comment on what is out there, but this article is full of sh**. All the people that write about F1, they don’t want to understand that a car is much more than a suspension layout and a flexible front wing.

[K1Plus]

If some of this is true it’s sounding like the SF24 doesn’t allow for much in terms of in season development so they are once again going with a different concept for 2025 instead of building on what they currently have:

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10633770/

Franco Nugnes, he was working for a decades in F1 mainly as a chief designer, as 99,99% of the journalists.
They can easy make Ferrari to win both titles but they do not have challenge for that kind of simplicity.
But it is very good for Gestione Sportiva to read texts from all the journalists to find the real solution for suspension kinematics, aero approach...
BTW Ferrari run in ENG different aero packages with same suspension for the two cars and they found substantial differences, guess what, the main cause was the suspension!!!!!
They must go with pull rod front, when will they understand that simple fact???

Or a double push rod? I mean Mercedes is now nicely planted look at that.

[Emag]

Just out of curiosity and I am sorry if I missed something. Is it actually confirmed the suspension is the biggest limiting factor here, or is this just media speculation?

[Xyz22]

Just out of curiosity and I am sorry if I missed something. Is it actually confirmed the suspension is the biggest limiting factor here, or is this just media speculation?

Media speculation

[RacePaceDemon]

Just out of curiosity and I am sorry if I missed something. Is it actually confirmed the suspension is the biggest limiting factor here, or is this just media speculation?

I'm not an expert but I would argue suspension is a factor. In my opinion the porpoising comes from the suspension not being able to handle the increased downforce from the upgrades. We see that McLaren, Mercedes and especially red bull can add a lot of load without triggering it. And after Mercedes modified their suspension they were able to cure the bouncing and make the car more drive able.

I think Ferrari have the opposite problem to red bull, the suspension is too soft. This pays dividends at street tracks like Monaco but not more traditional tracks. Red bull have the complete opposite problem. McLaren seem to have a made a breakthrough where they have a soft front suspension and still have good efficiency at traditional circuits. This could be due to a front wing flexing trick, suspension trick or just a generally good all rounder with no tricks.

[f1316]

If some of this is true it’s sounding like the SF24 doesn’t allow for much in terms of in season development so they are once again going with a different concept for 2025 instead of building on what they currently have:

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10633770/

For me, the curiosity of all those "Lewis' car" rumors is that if true, Ferrari again will be basically telling Charles he has to adapt to a Machine that is not all to HIS liking... basically for someone (Lewis) who will come in for a couple of years maximum.

If Ferrari was capable of building a car for the specific needs of a driver they have never had driving one of their cars, they would never have update issues.

Another piece in that article is that Ferrari will revert back to the NEW spec in Hungary, but then Back to the OLD spec at Spa. Are they still building spare parts for both specs? Seems costly.

They have to do it this way. The update works and they need to learn why they are having issues with it and fix them, abandoning the update means they learn nothing, on top of it, if that's the best development path they could think of there may be no alternative.

My understanding is that they don’t expect the bouncing to be as much of an issue in Hungary and given the new package is better in slow corners, it will be more of an advantage there. What I’ve read is that for Spa they hope to have modifications that will make the new package work without bouncing.

[deadhead]

If some of this is true it’s sounding like the SF24 doesn’t allow for much in terms of in season development so they are once again going with a different concept for 2025 instead of building on what they currently have:

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10633770/

For me, the curiosity of all those "Lewis' car" rumors is that if true, Ferrari again will be basically telling Charles he has to adapt to a Machine that is not all to HIS liking... basically for someone (Lewis) who will come in for a couple of years maximum.

Another piece in that article is that Ferrari will revert back to the NEW spec in Hungary, but then Back to the OLD spec at Spa. Are they still building spare parts for both specs? Seems costly.

LEC is extremely loyal to Ferrari but I think there are finally some doubts looming around that unconditional loyalty.

[deadhead]

https://lastwordonsports.com/motorsport ... -upgrades/

Thoughts ?

Seems like a technical failure. They chose this 24 concept because they felt it can be developed a lot. Now they are again changing their concert in the last year of regulations ?

Proving that having a fast car out of the box doesn’t mean much.

[RacePaceDemon]

https://lastwordonsports.com/motorsport ... -upgrades/

Thoughts ?

Seems like a technical failure. They chose this 24 concept because they felt it can be developed a lot. Now they are again changing their concert in the last year of regulations ?

Proving that having a fast car out of the box doesn’t mean much.

I don't trust that author at all. He runs @formularacers_ on Twitter and for the most part he just regurgitates information already put out by reputable sources. I think he makes things up and any article with original information usually has other more well known authors while he just piggy backs off their work.