WEC 2024

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they are going with conventional fins and wing and wing endplate it looks like..

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There we go! So this is a prototype! The front part is totally different to the street version.

It looks so mean and powerful though! What an epic race car…

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Tommy.G wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 19:46
There we go! So this is a prototype! The front part is totally different to the street version.

It looks so mean and powerful though! What an epic race car…

The front wing is still visible, but it is reduced in size. The AMR Pro would have been outside of the performance window permitted, so they likely had to reduce downforce overall. Adrian Newey made this comment about the RB17.
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AR3-GP wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 23:45
Tommy.G wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 19:46
There we go! So this is a prototype! The front part is totally different to the street version.

It looks so mean and powerful though! What an epic race car…

The front wing is still visible, but it is reduced in size. The AMR Pro would have been outside of the performance window permitted, so they likely had to reduce downforce overall. Adrian Newey made this comment about the RB17.
I wonder if its even the Cosworth V12 they are using, or if it's based on one of their in house V12's

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Holm86 wrote:
17 Jul 2024, 12:42
AR3-GP wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 23:45
Tommy.G wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 19:46
There we go! So this is a prototype! The front part is totally different to the street version.

It looks so mean and powerful though! What an epic race car…

The front wing is still visible, but it is reduced in size. The AMR Pro would have been outside of the performance window permitted, so they likely had to reduce downforce overall. Adrian Newey made this comment about the RB17.
I wonder if its even the Cosworth V12 they are using, or if it's based on one of their in house V12's
It'll be the Cosworth V12
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yinlad wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 19:19
Holm86 wrote:
17 Jul 2024, 12:42
AR3-GP wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 23:45


The front wing is still visible, but it is reduced in size. The AMR Pro would have been outside of the performance window permitted, so they likely had to reduce downforce overall. Adrian Newey made this comment about the RB17.
I wonder if its even the Cosworth V12 they are using, or if it's based on one of their in house V12's
It'll be the Cosworth V12
Alright, just thought it might be easier and a hell of a lot cheaper to take one of their own engines and bring up to 670hp rather than taking a very expensive and bespoke engine and detune it that much.
And most people wouldn't even know the difference anyway, the rest of the car doesn't really look like the Valkyrie anyway

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Holm86 wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 22:12
Alright, just thought it might be easier and a hell of a lot cheaper to take one of their own engines and bring up to 670hp rather than taking a very expensive and bespoke engine and detune it that much.
And most people wouldn't even know the difference anyway, the rest of the car doesn't really look like the Valkyrie anyway
The engines already exist in the AMR Pros the race cars are built off. I'm pretty sure they are converting existing chassis rather than building new. I'd bet a detuned Cosworth is about 3000 times less likely to blow up too. Also also, the engine is a stressed member in Valk and I'd doubt the mounting points etc are going to line up on anything in-house
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yinlad wrote:
19 Jul 2024, 09:29
Holm86 wrote:
18 Jul 2024, 22:12
Alright, just thought it might be easier and a hell of a lot cheaper to take one of their own engines and bring up to 670hp rather than taking a very expensive and bespoke engine and detune it that much.
And most people wouldn't even know the difference anyway, the rest of the car doesn't really look like the Valkyrie anyway
The engines already exist in the AMR Pros the race cars are built off. I'm pretty sure they are converting existing chassis rather than building new. I'd bet a detuned Cosworth is about 3000 times less likely to blow up too. Also also, the engine is a stressed member in Valk and I'd doubt the mounting points etc are going to line up on anything in-house
This is very true.

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19 Jul 2024, 21:50
This will be the best sounding car around Le Mans in many many years, and hopefully this will open the eyes of Liberty Media and FIA and show them how much sound means to the spectators and fans of motorsport.
We need high revving naturally aspirated engines back in F1, running on sustainable fuel

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so they likely had to reduce downforce overall. Adrian Newey made this comment about the RB17.
I mean, as far as I know, the rule specifies maximum efficiency, L/D of 4:1 not maximum downforce outright.
Remember the original Valkyrie has a lot of through flow, a rather extreme diffuser design which contributes to creating a lot of efficient downforce. It is likely that the diffuser is slightly smaller, but more significantly, the large rear wing serves to create dirty downforce, it is also likely the adjustable part and contributes mitigating any ride height sensitivity when setting up. I'm willing to bet right now that the valkyrie LMH has a similar amount or more downforce than the AMR pro at say 120mph (pulling that number out of thin air), but a lot more drag.
I am siginificantly more interested in what their front wing and sidepod intakes look like. Along with seeing just how much they've castrated the diffuser.
Take note of all the lengthways large endplates, strakes, large sharkfin and so on. It would seem they've incorporated Ferrari's philosophy to heart. The cockpit doesn't seem any thinner and the headlight area doesn't have the distinctive bulbous-ness we have grown accustomed to on certain LMP's in an attempt to reduce drag in a straightline.

Watch this space.

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dialtone wrote:
22 Jul 2024, 23:05
Ferrari was perfectly fine in Imola and Spa. In Qatar they were unfavorably BoPed as they were in Brazil.

499P massively improved tire management.

I don’t think they have the same issues as the F1 team.
The 499P is similar to the SF24 in that they both are slow to warm the tires. Instead of addressing this issue, Canizzo has been accusing Porsche of using tire warmers all year. They have submitted numerous "clarifications".
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AR3-GP wrote:
22 Jul 2024, 23:24
dialtone wrote:
22 Jul 2024, 23:05
Ferrari was perfectly fine in Imola and Spa. In Qatar they were unfavorably BoPed as they were in Brazil.

499P massively improved tire management.

I don’t think they have the same issues as the F1 team.
The 499P is similar to the SF24 in that they both are slow to warm the tires. Instead of addressing this issue, Canizzo has been accusing Porsche of using tire warmers all year. They have submitted numerous "clarifications".
To what extent is this a weakness in the 499P OR a design trait to make it easy on its tires/make them last longer?