I think it's simple frustration. The car is not competitive enough to win on merit, and even worse: they seem to not make progress forwards. It is basically unclear if Red Bull became slower or McLaren simply became quicker or a mix of both.Juzh wrote: ↑20 Jul 2024, 22:11I think Max's rhetoric is going overboard and I dont quite understand what he intends to achieve with these statements. Ok, yes, mclaren is faster and another update hasnt delivered, but now you have to take the car and drive its wheels off. It's called racing. He cant expect a 2023 like year to happen every year, maybe he still hasn't adjusted to the new reality.
He's saying he's just being honest and whatnot, but these comments are not helpful to anyone.
Seems really getting out of control.Juzh wrote: ↑20 Jul 2024, 22:11I think Max's rhetoric is going overboard and I dont quite understand what he intends to achieve with these statements. Ok, yes, mclaren is faster and another update hasnt delivered, but now you have to take the car and drive its wheels off. It's called racing. He cant expect a 2023 like year to happen every year, maybe he still hasn't adjusted to the new reality.
He's saying he's just being honest and whatnot, but these comments are not helpful to anyone.
Those are just the re-hashed words from de Telegraaf newspaper article. I think a lot of it gets lost in translation, however:Dunlay wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 04:03Seems really getting out of control.Juzh wrote: ↑20 Jul 2024, 22:11I think Max's rhetoric is going overboard and I dont quite understand what he intends to achieve with these statements. Ok, yes, mclaren is faster and another update hasnt delivered, but now you have to take the car and drive its wheels off. It's called racing. He cant expect a 2023 like year to happen every year, maybe he still hasn't adjusted to the new reality.
He's saying he's just being honest and whatnot, but these comments are not helpful to anyone.
He is winning because of team. No reason to throw public criticism at them. He wont be a competitive animal without the team.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 05:23Those are just the re-hashed words from de Telegraaf newspaper article. I think a lot of it gets lost in translation, however:Dunlay wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 04:03Seems really getting out of control.Juzh wrote: ↑20 Jul 2024, 22:11I think Max's rhetoric is going overboard and I dont quite understand what he intends to achieve with these statements. Ok, yes, mclaren is faster and another update hasnt delivered, but now you have to take the car and drive its wheels off. It's called racing. He cant expect a 2023 like year to happen every year, maybe he still hasn't adjusted to the new reality.
He's saying he's just being honest and whatnot, but these comments are not helpful to anyone.
He’s a competitive animal that hates losing. We know this….cough….
I still think he lets emotions rule his thinking too much. Honesty is a Dutch trait but has to be grounded in reality. Criticising everything and sundry is only going to upset people that work day and night for him.
Yes clearly the upgrades haven’t brought as much as hoped and I guess he can see the writing on the wall if other teams kick on from here (Merc notably). If both McLaren and Merc start getting their noses ahead then potentially it becomes a hard season. But that’s still realistically not where they are and others made the point of VER still out scoring all.
Even though I’m not a Max fan, I hope he’s better at man management than just openly burning people down. It’s not the way you get the best out of a team
I think you also need to know how Max conducts himself behind closed doors with the team. Context matters a lot if internally be is burning them because things are starting to get hard, then its an issue. But if there is a 2 way element to it all its not. LIke Max and JP on team radio, sure JP can often look like hes bearing the brunt of Max's frustration JP can fire back when he needs too.Dunlay wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 06:44He is winning because of team. No reason to throw public criticism at them. He wont be a competitive animal without the team.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 05:23Those are just the re-hashed words from de Telegraaf newspaper article. I think a lot of it gets lost in translation, however:
He’s a competitive animal that hates losing. We know this….cough….
I still think he lets emotions rule his thinking too much. Honesty is a Dutch trait but has to be grounded in reality. Criticising everything and sundry is only going to upset people that work day and night for him.
Yes clearly the upgrades haven’t brought as much as hoped and I guess he can see the writing on the wall if other teams kick on from here (Merc notably). If both McLaren and Merc start getting their noses ahead then potentially it becomes a hard season. But that’s still realistically not where they are and others made the point of VER still out scoring all.
Even though I’m not a Max fan, I hope he’s better at man management than just openly burning people down. It’s not the way you get the best out of a team
I really don't think I have to know what he does behind the scenes, unless they broadcast it regularly. I am just an audience and as such, my only tool is whatever info publicly available.Watto wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 07:54I think you also need to know how Max conducts himself behind closed doors with the team. Context matters a lot if internally be is burning them because things are starting to get hard, then its an issue. But if there is a 2 way element to it all its not. LIke Max and JP on team radio, sure JP can often look like hes bearing the brunt of Max's frustration JP can fire back when he needs too.Dunlay wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 06:44He is winning because of team. No reason to throw public criticism at them. He wont be a competitive animal without the team.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 05:23
Those are just the re-hashed words from de Telegraaf newspaper article. I think a lot of it gets lost in translation, however:
He’s a competitive animal that hates losing. We know this….cough….
I still think he lets emotions rule his thinking too much. Honesty is a Dutch trait but has to be grounded in reality. Criticising everything and sundry is only going to upset people that work day and night for him.
Yes clearly the upgrades haven’t brought as much as hoped and I guess he can see the writing on the wall if other teams kick on from here (Merc notably). If both McLaren and Merc start getting their noses ahead then potentially it becomes a hard season. But that’s still realistically not where they are and others made the point of VER still out scoring all.
Even though I’m not a Max fan, I hope he’s better at man management than just openly burning people down. It’s not the way you get the best out of a team
Yeah it's crazy. Max gains 3 tenths to lando in s1 and loses it all by the end of the chicane. McLaren currently have an insanely quick car but a lot of that is because of the mechanical limitations of the rb20 tbh
yeah but if they push you out of DRS zone in S2 you won't overtake in S1 next lap