You are talking with little sense.
Hahaha, Max never complained during the Renault era? How can one support a driver so blindly to the point where they discard easily provable facts.Wouter wrote: ↑22 Jul 2024, 21:25.Emag wrote: ↑22 Jul 2024, 19:48Its how Max has always been, I dont see why anyone is surprised.
If you win races comfortably with little effort there is no reason to be upset, so nobody saw that side of him for a while.
He has proven to be a hypocrite a long time ago, doing the same things he criticizes other drivers for but expects different treatment when he does them himself.
You must be a new F1/McLaren fan because all those years Max drove with a Renault PU he had so much trouble with his car
and DNF's and often bad luck and he never was upset about it.
Yesterday was the first time he was really, really upset because there is much going on in the team the last months.
I see you don't like him but don't spread false accustions please.
Thats not what Wouter is saying. I don't like his swearing and outbursts, but I also cant remember it being this intense to its team. Even after all the DNFs due to engine troubles, he never let himself go this way. It feels to me like he is driving his last races for RB.Emag wrote: ↑22 Jul 2024, 22:24Hahaha, Max never complained during the Renault era? How can one support a driver so blindly to the point where they discard easily provable facts.Wouter wrote: ↑22 Jul 2024, 21:25.Emag wrote: ↑22 Jul 2024, 19:48Its how Max has always been, I dont see why anyone is surprised.
If you win races comfortably with little effort there is no reason to be upset, so nobody saw that side of him for a while.
He has proven to be a hypocrite a long time ago, doing the same things he criticizes other drivers for but expects different treatment when he does them himself.
You must be a new F1/McLaren fan because all those years Max drove with a Renault PU he had so much trouble with his car
and DNF's and often bad luck and he never was upset about it.
Yesterday was the first time he was really, really upset because there is much going on in the team the last months.
I see you don't like him but don't spread false accustions please.
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Not that it changes anything as I wont comment anything else about the matter here anymore. As I said, pointless to argue with people like you.
But for what its worth, I have been watching since 2006 and I was a Ferrari fan mainly until 2015.
When Alonso left Ferrari I found it hard to root for any team, but I have enjoyed seeing McLaren come back from the ashes I admit.
You seemingly have decided to completely throw RB's performance in Australia out of the window...Paa wrote: ↑22 Jul 2024, 22:11I'm starting to give more credibility for the Miami suspension nerf rumors. The contrast is too big between the two parts of the season. Max comfortably won all poles in early races and RB20 seemed even better than RB19.
Even if other teams improved, that does't explain the change in behaviour and driveability. See Perez performance.
Something must have happened.
They designed the car around certain suspension behaviour, and they are missing that piece now. This could have been RedBull's TD39.
Most probably even current upgrade package was planned months ago, assuming they still have that certain feature.
It is possible that now performance is simply limited by mechanics, so improving aero doesn't add usable gains.
I don't think that a bad race from Perez is a strong argument here. I could list a handful of such races by Perez from 2023 when car was considered dominant.Dee wrote: ↑22 Jul 2024, 23:20You seemingly have decided to completely throw RB's performance in Australia out of the window...Paa wrote: ↑22 Jul 2024, 22:11I'm starting to give more credibility for the Miami suspension nerf rumors. The contrast is too big between the two parts of the season. Max comfortably won all poles in early races and RB20 seemed even better than RB19.
Even if other teams improved, that does't explain the change in behaviour and driveability. See Perez performance.
Something must have happened.
They designed the car around certain suspension behaviour, and they are missing that piece now. This could have been RedBull's TD39.
Most probably even current upgrade package was planned months ago, assuming they still have that certain feature.
It is possible that now performance is simply limited by mechanics, so improving aero doesn't add usable gains.
Perez finished 56 seconds off the lead. Max was not happy at all with the car throughout the weekend.
The characteristics have always been there, but became prominent in circuits with more curbs and then Mclaren caught up.
The different car characteristics were there in the beginning of the season.Paa wrote: ↑22 Jul 2024, 22:11I'm starting to give more credibility for the Miami suspension nerf rumors. The contrast is too big between the two parts of the season. Max comfortably won all poles in early races and RB20 seemed even better than RB19.
Even if other teams improved, that does't explain the change in behaviour and driveability. See Perez performance.
Something must have happened.
They designed the car around certain suspension behaviour, and they are missing that piece now. This could have been RedBull's TD39.
Most probably even current upgrade package was planned months ago, assuming they still have that certain feature.
It is possible that now performance is simply limited by mechanics, so improving aero doesn't add usable gains.
They continued to evolve the RB19 suspension for the RB20, perhaps looking for more stiffness to maintain a smaller range of ground clearances for the aero map of the RB20. They probably traded a wider working window for more peak performance because that's what you do when your alternative is diminishing returns (Merc had this stiffness problem with the W13, but RB at least knew how to prevent porpoising). They tried to make that work. It seems to have backfired because the suspension doesn't behave like the simulations. In practice it is stiffer than expected. This is not a problem in high speed corners where they are often still the fastest, but it's a problem everywhere else (low speed, bumps, curbs).Paa wrote: ↑23 Jul 2024, 01:19Ok, let's assume that nothing was nerfed.
Is it still possible that their performance is limited by mechanics? Previous years, their correlation was spot on, they put the upgrades and those worked as intended
Now, they just hope it will work and seemingly struggle to add performance or tune the car's characteristic to how they (Max) would like it. Somewhere the ball was dropped and now they look exactly like Merc in 2022-2023.
I have started to believe exactly the same. These regulations (floor dependent) are all about stable mechanical platform under all conditions to aid floor performance and then comes the overall performance. Hence so much dependency on suspension. Whatever they change on aero makes near zero difference. That's what Mercedes kept saying about their zero pods. It was not their problem, but due to external pressure they needed to move away from it reluctantly. Miami after, RB20 is a different car and it's hard to believe it was not nerfed. It indeed appears to be Red Bull's TD039.Paa wrote: ↑22 Jul 2024, 22:11I'm starting to give more credibility for the Miami suspension nerf rumors. The contrast is too big between the two parts of the season. Max comfortably won all poles in early races and RB20 seemed even better than RB19.
Even if other teams improved, that does't explain the change in behaviour and driveability. See Perez performance.
Something must have happened.
They designed the car around certain suspension behaviour, and they are missing that piece now. This could have been RedBull's TD39.
Most probably even current upgrade package was planned months ago, assuming they still have that certain feature.
It is possible that now performance is simply limited by mechanics, so improving aero doesn't add usable gains.