Reporting of posts

[Just_a_fan]

It would be useful if posts could be reported by more than one member. Currently, if someone reports a post no one else can. Multiple reports would show that a post is detrimental to the forum. As it stands now, a post can be reported and the report sat on by mods and that kills it. If multiple people can report a post, it puts pressure on mods to deal with it.

Currently, a single report can be ignored. True, multiple reports can be ignored but at least many members can then all say "I reported it". And that increases the chance that fairness is observed.

[Dunlay]

It would be useful if posts could be reported by more than one member. Currently, if someone reports a post no one else can. Multiple reports would show that a post is detrimental to the forum. As it stands now, a post can be reported and the report sat on by mods and that kills it. If multiple people can report a post, it puts pressure on mods to deal with it.

Currently, a single report can be ignored. True, multiple reports can be ignored but at least many members can then all say "I reported it". And that increases the chance that fairness is observed.

I agree.

As Moderators can have a certain bias too, obviously they are humans, multiple number of reporters should influence a moderator to overcome his/her bias over a post, which otherwise could take it for granted that, it's only one poster that has reported it and because I don't see it as a problem or it aligns with my bias, i will ignore it.

I think allowing multiple posters to report a post should improve the forum standards.

[CMSMJ1]

Why can't we aspire to a better quality of post?

Fewer pile ons and knowing replies to certain subjects are going to put fuel on the fire?

Look at your own posting and instead of wanting mummy and daddy to clean your backside and wash your clothes... Then perhaps don't be pooing yourself on purpose for attention?

[AeroDynamic]

Why can't we aspire to a better quality of post?

Because your team allows lower quality posts to stand, and not consistently. It depends what point of view the mod holds towards the user, or the subject matter (driver, team)

I don't know if its motivation or competence, but somewhere, it is lacking for many to see.

[Just_a_fan]

Why can't we aspire to a better quality of post?

Fewer pile ons and knowing replies to certain subjects are going to put fuel on the fire?

Look at your own posting and instead of wanting mummy and daddy to clean your backside and wash your clothes... Then perhaps don't be pooing yourself on purpose for attention?

Why can't we aspire to a better quality of moderating?

Fewer biases and knowing that if one replies or says certain things then a board warning is not all but guaranteed from certain mods.

Look at other posts and wanting the mods to apply the same rules to them as they do to you rather than act as a mummy and daddy and protect certain users. They can poo where they like and get protected from attention.

[CMSMJ1]

If the forum members didn't post low quality and argumentative efforts then perhaps moderation would not be as necessary?

Do you want strict, regressive and overbearing moderation, from guys who just want to support this site and have limited time to do so, or are there no adults in the room who can resist that usual nonsense and can shut down the posters when that tripe arrives?

[CMSMJ1]

Why can't we aspire to a better quality of post?

Fewer pile ons and knowing replies to certain subjects are going to put fuel on the fire?

Look at your own posting and instead of wanting mummy and daddy to clean your backside and wash your clothes... Then perhaps don't be pooing yourself on purpose for attention?

Why can't we aspire to a better quality of moderating?

Fewer biases and knowing that if one replies or says certain things then a board warning is not all but guaranteed from certain mods.

Look at other posts and wanting the mods to apply the same rules to them as they do to you rather than act as a mummy and daddy and protect certain users. They can poo where they like and get protected from attention.

The answer to that is surely obvious. Support the high quality forum we want it to be instead of the poo throwing?

No need to make endless points about the parents of drivers. That's just not needed in this place.

[chrisc90]

Why can't we aspire to a better quality of post?

Fewer pile ons and knowing replies to certain subjects are going to put fuel on the fire?

Look at your own posting and instead of wanting mummy and daddy to clean your backside and wash your clothes... Then perhaps don't be pooing yourself on purpose for attention?

Why can't we aspire to a better quality of moderating?

Fewer biases and knowing that if one replies or says certain things then a board warning is not all but guaranteed from certain mods.

Look at other posts and wanting the mods to apply the same rules to them as they do to you rather than act as a mummy and daddy and protect certain users. They can poo where they like and get protected from attention.

The answer to that is surely obvious. Support the high quality forum we want it to be instead of the poo throwing?

No need to make endless points about the parents of drivers. That's just not needed in this place.

Unless there is going to be a mass thread sorting out, then those posts are being allowed to stand at the moment. Look at the last handful of pages in the RBR team thread, Do we really need a handful of pages discussing someone that isnt really in F1 - other than a drivers father - and his actions 15-20 years ago.

I dont think the original post was about the quality of the posts - however it is a important factor. It was about multiple users reporting the same post - which I guess is going to be a post that is seriously out of line with what the forum expects of the thread in question.

Seems some moderators want to allow a thread to be about certain things, but some dont and/or have a different opinion on how the thread should be run.

I mean what's all this about?

Pretty sure that's been the line I've heard from other mods about team threads the rb team thread is often full of info about what the drivers are doing in their time off in non-race weekends, promo events etc which is often reported and never removed.

I've previously used the logic of a "it's a technical forum therefore x or y shouldn't be allowed even in team/race threads" and was shot down

My personal view is that if you want that kind of mundane stuff then go get it somewhere else.

It's a waste of bandwidth and propagates nonsense.

Presuming that the green reply is in response to the red comments from Organic.

I mean you an go look at the other team threads and look at the 15 or so pages that appear during a race about the discussion of the race and whats happening. Is that what the team threads are about? Or are we using the team threads to discuss events 15-20years ago that have no relevance to the team of 2024?

[Just_a_fan]

But the side tracking about mods doesn't answer the question about whether it is possible to allow multiple instances of post reporting.

A post that is reported once might be worthy of a mod slap or it might just be reported as revenge. A post reported separately by a number of forum users suggests a post worthy of more immediate mod attention. It acts as a triage filter, in effect. It allows ensures that limited mod resources can be focussed where they might do the most good, so a help to the mods as well.

[Just_a_fan]

I mean you an go look at the other team threads and look at the 15 or so pages that appear during a race about the discussion of the race and whats happening. Is that what the team threads are about? Or are we using the team threads to discuss events 15-20years ago that have no relevance to the team of 2024?

Agreed. The team threads often end up full of posts about the current race and even discussions about a particular incident in the race. Surely that is exclusively the remit of the race thread.

[chrisc90]

But the side tracking about mods doesn't answer the question about whether it is possible to allow multiple instances of post reporting.

A post that is reported once might be worthy of a mod slap or it might just be reported as revenge. A post reported separately by a number of forum users suggests a post worthy of more immediate mod attention. It acts as a triage filter, in effect. It allows ensures that limited mod resources can be focussed where they might do the most good, so a help to the mods as well.

Fully agree.

For example race weekend (busiest times of the forum - given its pretty dead at the moment in off-season shutdown). You have a filter there that ranks posts by the most 'reports' it shows that that post is more likely to be against the forum rules - rather than a single post with 1 report that ends up down a list of say 50 reports over the weekend, that might have a opinion someone doesnt agree with.

So in those 50 reports, you have a post thats massively out of order, trolling, spam etc, and its 'lost' in a page of 50 other reports that require borderline moderation.

I think it would be a good system to be fair, it highlights the more out of bounds stuff first and allows quicker attention to be given to it.

[chrisc90]

I mean you an go look at the other team threads and look at the 15 or so pages that appear during a race about the discussion of the race and whats happening. Is that what the team threads are about? Or are we using the team threads to discuss events 15-20years ago that have no relevance to the team of 2024?

Agreed. The team threads often end up full of posts about the current race and even discussions about a particular incident in the race. Surely that is exclusively the remit of the race thread.

I mean you see that much more in the Ferrari and noticeably the McLaren thread. The latter near enough being a lap by lap discussion on whats happening through the race. Other threads such as the Merc or Red Bull ones, usually come more alive post race where events can be discussed. Which I think allows for a better 'flow of discussion' than that on a lap by lap basis. There are other channels to discuss lap by lap and it works well - there is the forum discord for that; the 'real time chat'.

I do like the Autosport method of posting - where by incidents or after race penalty's are able to be discussed on their own thread in merit. It means that 2 threads (if there is a multi team incident) aren't getting clogged up with each team discussing the topic in their 2024 team thread. It works VERY well in my opinion. Recent examples are the Hungary incident with Lewis/Max, or the George Russell disqualification. It makes one thread to discuss a topic and means that other threads aren't cluttered up with content that could be seen as off-topic for its original thread where it was being discussed.
Maybe that's something that could be looked at or implemented by the mods come next race - however I think it would mean that posters have to be more open to using that thread rather than the race/team threads, and moderators would have to be 'on top' of the posts that could be moved to a incident/penalty thread. I'm sure with a little bit of direction and coaching would get members discussing the incident/penalty in the right topic rather than where it happens currently.

[marvin78]

You get the forum the moderators deserve, I guess.

You always get the forum the users deserve. Moderating is not easy. I administrated and moderated a local sports forum for years and I can say that there is always at least one user that thinks you are biased even if you try your very best to be not. In the end especially this forum dies with it's user's ignorance. I am very neutral on nearly everything (I am not a fan of anyone - I don't get the concept of that) and I am regularly surprised how much bias comes from normally very smart guys. But that's the way it is today. Every forum and other media has that problem. Very few people know how to discuss things. Moderators are the poorest guys in a forum like this. I personally don't think that, compared with other forums, this one is moderated really bad. It's just normal that a private person cannot handle user that are not able to discus properly.

For especially this forum: Try to not be a fan to much. No person you do not really know deserves this kind of fandom. No one here really knows these drivers you sometimes support so hard. Sometimes you people fight for them like for your own life. If you look at it from a neutral view this sometimes looks very rediculous.

[chrisc90]

You get the forum the moderators deserve, I guess.

You always get the forum the users deserve. Moderating is not easy. I administrated and moderated a local sports forum for years and I can say that there is always at least one user that thinks you are biased even if you try your very best to be not. In the end especially this forum dies with it's user's ignorance. I am very neutral on nearly everything (I am not a fan of anyone - I don't get the concept of that) and I am regularly surprised how much bias comes from normally very smart guys. But that's the way it is today. Every forum and other media has that problem. Very few people know how to discuss things. Moderators are the poorest guys in a forum like this. I personally don't think that, compared with other forums, this one is moderated really bad. It's just normal that a private person cannot handle user that are not able to discus properly.

For especially this forum: Try to not be a fan to much. No person you do not really know deserves this kind of fandom. No one here really knows these drivers you sometimes support so hard. Sometimes you people fight for them like for your own life. If you look at it from a neutral view this sometimes looks very rediculous.

The moderators/admin mould the forum into the way they want it to be run. Its those people who draw the line under what style of posts it receives from its members. This one is moulded around being a 'technical' site - however you can strongly argue that about 80-90% of the posts fall outside a technical viewpoint. Race threads and team threads can not really be technical. Its all finding a balance.

I visit other larger F1 forums - and I think you get a much more better discussion on those with everyone than on here. Moderators know where the line has to be drawn and allow decent discussion between members and their views. Here anything more than a few posts on the topic back and forth would be counted as trolling.

however - I dont think this kind of discussion falls within why this thread was originally made.

[Hoffman900]

The moderators enforce the tone of the forum.

Hollus is probably the worst example of a moderator. Instead of punishing non technical posters, who argue non technical viewpoints, he punishes those who do with the response that you need to be open to discussion. Wrong. If they’re wrong, they’re wrong. It’s that simple.