Christian Horner under Investigation

[Dunlay]

Well well..

"Red Bull managing director Oliver Mintzlaff has given his first public backing to Formula 1 team boss Christian Horner, insisting he is the right man to bring the squad more success."


https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... /10607144/

After Newey saying kind words for Horner in his departure note, it's Oliver now backing him! So hopefully, that loose cannon Jos would stop.

Seems like that woman was a sacrificial lamb that played into the hands of someone and now discarded by everyone, including FIA.
Also, the credible journalists who said Newey was leaving because of Horner, seems like genrated another click bait that cooked up something to get some eye balls or that they were grossly misled by their inside sources. Newey seemed like in a good company with Horner, all through Miami weekend.

[Wouter]

Well well..

"Red Bull managing director Oliver Mintzlaff has given his first public backing to Formula 1 team boss Christian Horner, insisting he is the right man to bring the squad more success."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... /10607144/

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After Newey saying kind words for Horner in his departure note, it's Oliver now backing him! So hopefully, that loose cannon Jos would stop.

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It is clear that Mintzlaff had to say this on Yoovidhya's behalf, otherwise he can pack his things and look for another job.
Fortunately, Yoovidhya has nothing to say about Jos, he is not his boss!

[CHT]

With all sides backing CH and key staffs extending contract I think RB can only be stronger

[PapayaFan481]

Well well..

"Red Bull managing director Oliver Mintzlaff has given his first public backing to Formula 1 team boss Christian Horner, insisting he is the right man to bring the squad more success."


https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... /10607144/

After Newey saying kind words for Horner in his departure note, it's Oliver now backing him! So hopefully, that loose cannon Jos would stop.

Seems like that woman was a sacrificial lamb that played into the hands of someone and now discarded by everyone, including FIA.
Also, the credible journalists who said Newey was leaving because of Horner, seems like genrated another click bait that cooked up something to get some eye balls or that they were grossly misled by their inside sources. Newey seemed like in a good company with Horner, all through Miami weekend.

To be fair, the credible journalists, which obviously is not all journalists, were blaming the internal politics due to the Horner situation, not Horner directly.

[CHT]

Redbull company culture is one that value loyalty through action not lip servicing, especially to those who started with them from the beginning. be it employee vendor or suppliers.

CH will go down in history as one of the most successful F1 TP of all time and there is none who can compare with him at the moment.

The fact the AN has stuck with him for over 18 years that does show how well they are working together.

So it's kind of shocking to read so many journalist talking about rbr falling apart.

For Jos his interest is a pay rise for Max which he will get a cut too. So its normal for him to always put Max up for sale to pressure RB to pay him well.

[Dunlay]

Pierre Wache has extended his contract until 2028, putting to bed all the false rumors about more senior people quitting Red Bull after Newey, all due to Horner. Newey has endorsed his relationship with Horner in his farewell note, Oliver has endorsed him and now Wache has extended his association. In all this, the only ones that have credibility are so called "credible" journalists with credible "inside sources". It's time for them to reflect on how much dirt they have thrown.

[chrisc90]

The employee appealed the case, the trial was held again with a independent KC, and dismissed

[Quantum]

The employee appealed the case, the trial was held again with a independent KC, and dismissed

What trial?

This was a Grievance Procedure. There is no Judge, or any Disclosure to a Judge and it now rests with the complainant to take this to court for a verdict, independent of Red Bull or an "independent KC".

[Wouter]

The employee appealed the case, the trial was held again with a independent KC, and dismissed

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She will now take it to court. At that point, the rest of the evidence, not currently in the public domain will become public.

[chrisc90]

Trial/case/investigation/Grievance. You know what I meant.

[Dunlay]

The employee appealed the case, the trial was held again with a independent KC, and dismissed

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She will now take it to court. At that point, the rest of the evidence, not currently in the public domain will become public.

Two independent KCs have dismissed the case. Is there more that isn't already in public domain?

I thought the "credible journalists" have already uncovered (or cooked?) everything out and there isn't much left for imagination, which is why this matter died for them. Hope to see some new material that can create some more click bait journalism. There isn't much happening in F1 on this summer break. Bring it on!

[Tiny73]

Two independent KC’s, correct. Who pays for them? Would that have anything to do with their findings? Did you expect anything other than this finding?

[Big Tea]

Two independent KC’s, correct. Who pays for them? Would that have anything to do with their findings? Did you expect anything other than this finding?

Kings Council are not usually prone to being swayed because one side is paying them.
They have far more to lose than a few weeks fees, they are all looking at becoming judges or higher and anything likely to look like a skeleton in their cupboards would not even be considered.
For one to be biased is not expected for two to be biased the same way is very unlikely.

If it was a though job, which they would probably insist on before getting involved, there would be nothing they did not take into consideration that could be presented in court, but much they could discover unofficially which would never be presented in a full hearing. It is a one sided consideration, they do not have to argue the case with an opposing team as they would in court, just make their own decision.

[Watto]

Two independent KC’s, correct. Who pays for them? Would that have anything to do with their findings? Did you expect anything other than this finding?

Kings Council are not usually prone to being swayed because one side is paying them.
They have far more to lose than a few weeks fees, they are all looking at becoming judges or higher and anything likely to look like a skeleton in their cupboards would not even be considered.
For one to be biased is not expected for two to be biased the same way is very unlikely.

If it was a though job, which they would probably insist on before getting involved, there would be nothing they did not take into consideration that could be presented in court, but much they could discover unofficially which would never be presented in a full hearing. It is a one sided consideration, they do not have to argue the case with an opposing team as they would in court, just make their own decision.

The employee appealed the case, the trial was held again with a independent KC, and dismissed

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She will now take it to court. At that point, the rest of the evidence, not currently in the public domain will become public.

Two independent KCs have dismissed the case. Is there more that isn't already in public domain?

I thought the "credible journalists" have already uncovered (or cooked?) everything out and there isn't much left for imagination, which is why this matter died for them. Hope to see some new material that can create some more click bait journalism. There isn't much happening in F1 on this summer break. Bring it on!

It probably depends on what their findings said too.


Maybe found Horner guilty of inappropriate behavior but doesn't believe it would be enough for a dismissal (either if Horner took RBR to court over the dismissal) or likewise maybe found inappropriate behavior but if the employee took them to court/arbitration there there would unlikely be findings against Horner/RBR. So some depends on the terms of reference.


But the one things I so say in all of this is - i think this is more to it than the leaked text messages, because if they are legit and there is nothing major being withheld, i think Horner should have been removed.

[CMSMJ1]

Some posts here are probably in need of some rebuttal - but keep it on the post, not the poster