McLaren MCL38

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LionsHeart wrote:
25 Jul 2024, 23:02
Macklaren wrote:
25 Jul 2024, 22:27
Any drawings out there on the differences between the old and new low DF wings?
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MCL60
https://i.ibb.co/8Bc64S4/220265-C2-84-F ... 91-D38.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/rsKvDHj/1-D30-AAD6-9-C ... -F45-A.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/nrr4N98/420-B64-A5-141 ... -C2-F5.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jMrtvf3/DA2-C6-BFE-ECB ... 81-FBD.jpg

MCL38
https://i.ibb.co/jwp0BD2/BF3-E2-B64-E32 ... 02-EEE.jpg
This was actually the 22 rw which they also used in 23 since Mcl60 never had its own low df rw

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LionsHeart
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M840TR wrote:
25 Jul 2024, 23:24
LionsHeart wrote:
25 Jul 2024, 23:02
Macklaren wrote:
25 Jul 2024, 22:27
Any drawings out there on the differences between the old and new low DF wings?
P.S. Moderators, please do not delete the message, at least in the next 12 hours.

MCL60
https://i.ibb.co/8Bc64S4/220265-C2-84-F ... 91-D38.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/rsKvDHj/1-D30-AAD6-9-C ... -F45-A.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/nrr4N98/420-B64-A5-141 ... -C2-F5.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jMrtvf3/DA2-C6-BFE-ECB ... 81-FBD.jpg

MCL38
https://i.ibb.co/jwp0BD2/BF3-E2-B64-E32 ... 02-EEE.jpg
This was actually the 22 rw which they also used in 23 since Mcl60 never had its own low df rw

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... -28-15.jpg
I know. I wrote that on the previous page. You are 100% right. In 2022, the team introduced this wing, and they used it in 2023. As I remember, Stella said that they did not have the time or resources to prepare this package. And I remember that Stella said that they needed to update the package for low downforce, because the current one was not effective enough.

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LionsHeart wrote:
25 Jul 2024, 23:02
Macklaren wrote:
25 Jul 2024, 22:27
Any drawings out there on the differences between the old and new low DF wings?
P.S. Moderators, please do not delete the message, at least in the next 12 hours.
THANK YOU. can you include the Silverstone 2024 wing as well pls

LionsHeart
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Macklaren wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 00:33
LionsHeart wrote:
25 Jul 2024, 23:02
Macklaren wrote:
25 Jul 2024, 22:27
Any drawings out there on the differences between the old and new low DF wings?
P.S. Moderators, please do not delete the message, at least in the next 12 hours.
THANK YOU. can you include the Silverstone 2024 wing as well pls
Oscar has medium downforce, Lando has medium-high.
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fike
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This grey “putty” was on both sides of Lando’s wing in FP1. Any ideas as to what it is?

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SmallSoldier
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A few great pictures of the MCL28 at Spa:

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Spa '24 FP2

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unbakedsub
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Looking at the diffuser wall stabilizing rod. Where does it attach to? Surely it isn't doing anything sitting in the wall only and not extending up? Or is it just a strip of stronger carbon/titanium (idc what they are using) that they are running inside the carbon.
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Farnborough
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unbakedsub wrote:
31 Jul 2024, 22:36
Looking at the diffuser wall stabilizing rod. Where does it attach to? Surely it isn't doing anything sitting in the wall only and not extending up? Or is it just a strip of stronger carbon/titanium (idc what they are using) that they are running inside the carbon.
There's no attachment as such to effectively brace against another structure.

Essentially it's a tube built into that sidewall to stop it flexing ftom top to bottom, the principal "stress" load is cantilevered vertically off the top plane of diffuser component.

Integral "tubes" like this are often used to enhance structural support when no immediate other attachment can be logically employed. Made by lamination in giving that detail, often with a foam former or similar put in place to give that integration while laying up the structure in manufacture.

It will allow a much thinner and lighter material in that wall overall, with this detail to mitigate against that lightweight structure bending how they don't want it to.

In comparison, a front wing structure will incorporate both hollow sections and simple curved planes that do the same but as part of their curved design incorporating this property. That rear diffuser wall, being essentially flat, doesn't have that as native design and so needs this additional feature to complete.

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mwillems
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An article discussing the new rear wing and its design features.

The main change being the squarer profile where the main plane meets the endplate.

The DRS flap and the tips have also been reprofiled and the spoon on the main plain almost gone, supposedly this will improve DRS performance according to.the article.

Looking at the telemetry, the MCL38 is comparable in the shortened DRS zones of Spa, but weather this is an artifact of the short DRS zones reducing any deficit or if the car has taken a step forward here remains to be seen.

I'm not sure how this concept could be transferred to a medium downforce wing unless they plan to put more load on the DRS flap to increase DRS effect. But the wing would be less efficient without the spoon on the main plane.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/how-m ... /10640676/
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Looking at this I see that the rear of the wing is far more flexible than the front thick section. It more rotates around the front edge as an axis than it bounces up and down uniformly.
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Looking at this I see that the rear of the wing is far more flexible than the front thick section. It more rotates around the front edge as an axis than it bounces up and down uniformly.
Innovation over refinement is the prefered path to performance. -- Get rid of the dopey regs in F1

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All-new rear wing spec in Zandvoort, something between Barcelona (ie Singapore 23) and Bahrain 24 spec size. Photo by AMuS

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