2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Vanja #66]

1 week to design and simulate a part seems fairly tight. Doesn’t leave much room for iteration on the result unless they know EXACTLY what flow they need to control and what they need it to do.

This goes against those that say they aren’t headless right now.

I don't really think it took them one single week to improve the situation, I just gave this as a timeline reference They must have tried some things after Austria, maybe even after Spain, but it still had to go through final validation over many simulation cases.

I also don't think setting aside a part of resources to do this would hinder the next upgrade, the more you know the better you will be next time.

[AR3-GP]

Asked whether he felt it was necessary for Ferrari to go through the problems with its Spain upgrade to fully understand the bouncing situation, Sainz replied: “I have my own theory about it. Obviously, I have been complaining about bouncing before the upgrades.” Sainz didn’t elaborate, but it seems reasonable to infer from his response that he felt Ferrari should have recognised the problem earlier and tackled it rather than going down a development path that actually increased it.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/lewi ... e-regrets/

[dialtone]

Asked whether he felt it was necessary for Ferrari to go through the problems with its Spain upgrade to fully understand the bouncing situation, Sainz replied: “I have my own theory about it. Obviously, I have been complaining about bouncing before the upgrades.” Sainz didn’t elaborate, but it seems reasonable to infer from his response that he felt Ferrari should have recognised the problem earlier and tackled it rather than going down a development path that actually increased it.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/lewi ... e-regrets/

Lmao… good riddance


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[KimiRai]

Seriously? I think we know who is more likely to be wrong

Has anyone tried to log all the times Nugnes, formu1a.uno and the main outlets/journalists have gotten it right or wrong about Ferrari in recent times? Especially with objective things such as upgrade schedules. I think that would help with identifying the more reliable sources in a statistical way rather than "In my opinion I've found them to be more reliable". You could start doing it right now, I'm doing my own on AM.

Maybe that would finally seal the deal on Nugnes forever... or not! Who knows... maybe Nugnes is the MOST reliable of them all!

[Emag]

Asked whether he felt it was necessary for Ferrari to go through the problems with its Spain upgrade to fully understand the bouncing situation, Sainz replied: “I have my own theory about it. Obviously, I have been complaining about bouncing before the upgrades.” Sainz didn’t elaborate, but it seems reasonable to infer from his response that he felt Ferrari should have recognised the problem earlier and tackled it rather than going down a development path that actually increased it.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/lewi ... e-regrets/

Lmao… good riddance


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I don't think he is saying anything bad, even if it may be a little biased towards his own perspective.

If Carlos really felt something with the car that Leclerc might have possibly dismissed as something he could handle, then that would really be an oversight by the engineers if they just proceeded without caution just because Carlos is leaving and they didn't have to tend to his requests.

And to be honest, this hypothetic scenario does not seem farfetched at all in my opinion. After all, Leclerc is the one who said he wasn't really bothered by porpoising that much back in 2022 when the car was arguably a championship contender (first part of the season). And that thing was visibly bashing into the ground, especially at the S2 straight.

[bluechris]

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/lewi ... e-regrets/

Lmao… good riddance


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I don't think he is saying anything bad, even if it may be a little biased towards his own perspective.

If Carlos really felt something with the car that Leclerc might have possibly dismissed as something he could handle, then that would really be an oversight by the engineers if they just proceeded without caution just because Carlos is leaving and they didn't have to tend to his requests.

And to be honest, this hypothetic scenario does not seem farfetched at all in my opinion. After all, Leclerc is the one who said he wasn't really bothered by porpoising that much back in 2022 when the car was arguably a championship contender (first part of the season). And that thing was visibly bashing into the ground, especially at the S2 straight.

If Ferrari hear Sainz or any other driver of his caliper that wants to drive a train to be happy, then Ferrari will lap 1-1.5 slower.
Imo Sainz comments are completely irrelevant. He cannot drive an oversteering car that is the fastest in everything, especially in brake and entering in corners. This is fast racing one on one and only a few on the current grid can tame this where Sainz is not in this list.
Ferrari must hear Leclerc 100% and built a car for him. Hamilton is almost the same and has this oversteering ability so it's much better that he is coming to the team. RB does this with Max and we all see the results.

[Vanja #66]

Lmao… good riddance

He's one really clever general after the battle, isn't he...

[Emag]

Lmao… good riddance


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I don't think he is saying anything bad, even if it may be a little biased towards his own perspective.

If Carlos really felt something with the car that Leclerc might have possibly dismissed as something he could handle, then that would really be an oversight by the engineers if they just proceeded without caution just because Carlos is leaving and they didn't have to tend to his requests.

And to be honest, this hypothetic scenario does not seem farfetched at all in my opinion. After all, Leclerc is the one who said he wasn't really bothered by porpoising that much back in 2022 when the car was arguably a championship contender (first part of the season). And that thing was visibly bashing into the ground, especially at the S2 straight.

If Ferrari hear Sainz or any other driver of his caliper that wants to drive a train to be happy, then Ferrari will lap 1-1.5 slower.
Imo Sainz comments are completely irrelevant. He cannot drive an oversteering car that is the fastest in everything, especially in brake and entering in corners. This is fast racing one on one and only a few on the current grid can tame this where Sainz is not in this list.
Ferrari must hear Leclerc 100% and built a car for him. Hamilton is almost the same and has this oversteering ability so it's much better that he is coming to the team. RB does this with Max and we all see the results.

Which is something I 100% agree with. Fast cars are almost never the easiest to drive to the limit by every driver on the grid.

My point was more on the handling behaviour. I believe if any of your drivers feels something is off, then that’s at least worth a look at.

And again, nobody really knows what’s been going on in the background and perhaps this is just Carlos being butthurt and flashing a “I told you so”.

[dialtone]

Lmao… good riddance

He's one really clever general after the battle, isn't he...

I’m sure he believes the engineers instead sat down and decided that more bouncing was what the car needed just to spite him.

[AR3-GP]

Lmao… good riddance

He's one really clever general after the battle, isn't he...

I’m sure he believes the engineers instead sat down and decided that more bouncing was what the car needed just to spite him.

It doesn't have to be so black and white. Mercedes ignored Hamilton for 2 years. They thought they were making the right decisions. Who would have thought the driver could be right and not the windtunnel and data?

Ferrari have those sharkmouths like the Red Bull. Neither team looks so good right now...suspect or coincidence?

[bluechris]

I don't think he is saying anything bad, even if it may be a little biased towards his own perspective.

If Carlos really felt something with the car that Leclerc might have possibly dismissed as something he could handle, then that would really be an oversight by the engineers if they just proceeded without caution just because Carlos is leaving and they didn't have to tend to his requests.

And to be honest, this hypothetic scenario does not seem farfetched at all in my opinion. After all, Leclerc is the one who said he wasn't really bothered by porpoising that much back in 2022 when the car was arguably a championship contender (first part of the season). And that thing was visibly bashing into the ground, especially at the S2 straight.

If Ferrari hear Sainz or any other driver of his caliper that wants to drive a train to be happy, then Ferrari will lap 1-1.5 slower.
Imo Sainz comments are completely irrelevant. He cannot drive an oversteering car that is the fastest in everything, especially in brake and entering in corners. This is fast racing one on one and only a few on the current grid can tame this where Sainz is not in this list.
Ferrari must hear Leclerc 100% and built a car for him. Hamilton is almost the same and has this oversteering ability so it's much better that he is coming to the team. RB does this with Max and we all see the results.

Which is something I 100% agree with. Fast cars are almost never the easiest to drive to the limit by every driver on the grid.

My point was more on the handling behaviour. I believe if any of your drivers feels something is off, then that’s at least worth a look at.

And again, nobody really knows what’s been going on in the background and perhaps this is just Carlos being butthurt and flashing a “I told you so”.

The problem in Ferrari was the sudden snaps from the back (they have fixed that). This is completely irrelevant from a understeering car because it looses grip suddenly and it's dangerous as we all saw some times and the driver loose confidence.
If Carlos speaks for this, ok, maybe the problem is still there? Doesn't seem so.

[AR3-GP]

Vasseur concedes that while the next race on the calendar, the Dutch Grand Prix, could be a case of damage limitation, they should be in for a good run after that in Italy, Azerbaijan and Singapore.

“We have a good sequence of tracks for us with Monza, Baku, Singapore… I think these are good tracks for the characteristics of the car,” he told the media including PlanetF1.com.

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2024/07/ ... mer-break/

I think the end of the year is interesting and Ferrari is not out of the running in the WCC. They've managed to do a lot of damage limitation since Spain, and they are only 63 points behind 1st in the WCC. With the right updates, anything can happen in the WCC.

[dialtone]

He's one really clever general after the battle, isn't he...

I’m sure he believes the engineers instead sat down and decided that more bouncing was what the car needed just to spite him.

It doesn't have to be so black and white. Mercedes ignored Hamilton for 2 years. They thought they were making the right decisions. Who would have thought the driver could be right and not the windtunnel and data?

That is in no wat the same thing.

Hamilton was complaining about cockpit position. Sainz is insinuating that he told the team to eliminate bouncing and the team decided not to. Pretty wild claim.

[Vanja #66]

I’m sure he believes the engineers instead sat down and decided that more bouncing was what the car needed just to spite him.

And also to hinder him more than Leclerc

They've managed to do a lot of damage limitation since Spain, and they are only 63 points behind 1st in the WCC. With the right updates, anything can happen in the WCC.

Apparently, all of that was a complete disaster fo Ferrari and they will have the worst season ever, far worse than 2020 and 1980

[Vanja #66]

Very important job was done over the two weeks of F1 break in Maranello, the wind tunnel moving floor thread was upgraded and should allow better correlation at extremely low ride heights in wind tunnel. Importance of such an upgrade can't be emphasised enough for the rest of this season and especially 2025

https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-marane ... mer-break/

With the old metallic rolling road, as well as with less extreme solutions from recent years, the wind tunnel operators had to avoid pushing the search for minimal ground clearance too far. Any contact with the floor, which on the track produces spectacular sparks, could cause serious damage to the model, slowing down the development program and delaying the introduction of potential new aerodynamic update packages.

Thanks to the latest “plastic” materials, it’s now possible to have a rolling road that is highly resistant to wear, considering that the metallic matrix had almost zero wear and with a surface free of micro-roughness. This allows for cleaner airflow under the model, enabling the floor to be closer to the ground.

Wind tunnel investigations have become increasingly precise, with very complex aerodynamic maps. While research was once limited to studying the model facing the airflow head-on, it now includes analyzing the car’s behavior during yaw, with steering angles, simulating the car in a corner.

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Red Bull was the first team to adopt an advanced rolling road, followed by McLaren. The Woking team initially used Toyota’s wind tunnel in Cologne but has made impressive progress since utilizing its new wind tunnel in Woking. The MCL38 is now considered the benchmark car of the moment.