KERS as a packaging fuel saving aid in 2010

[WhiteBlue]

And what Ferrari don't want, the others won't get either.

only in Luca's wet dreams

Sir Frank is no push over.

[flynfrog]

I kinda doubt Frank is going to push for a system his already cash strapped team has yet to turn a lap in anger with. If he were smart he would push to not have it.

[xpensive]

I kinda doubt Frank is going to push for a system his already cash strapped team has yet to turn a lap in anger with. If he were smart he would push to not have it.

I agree, Williams were dependent on MrE's handouts for this season and it defies logic why they would push for KERS when they don't have it themselves yet and nobody else wants it either?

[James_graham]

The company which is developing KERS fro williams (williams hybrid systems) is still developing a system but is looking at other avenues in which to exploit it. So if they can get it into a car and increase funds that way they can offset that from the development for their F1 car

[siskue2005]

I doubt it. Ferrari has had it with the senseless spending for very little gain and don't want it no more.
And what Ferrari don't want, the others won't get either.

as if Mclaren, Toyota, Renault, RBR, STR, Brawn gp cant think 4 themselves

and on the contrary, imagine how much Ferrari will gain with a system they ran for a year......with smaller front tyre and 620kg increase Ferrari should be the one 2 gain the most with KERS.

[Sawtooth-spike]

I doubt it. Ferrari has had it with the senseless spending for very little gain and don't want it no more.
And what Ferrari don't want, the others won't get either.

as if Mclaren, Toyota, Renault, RBR, STR, Brawn gp cant think 4 themselves

and on the contrary, imagine how much Ferrari will gain with a system they ran for a year......with smaller front tyre and 620kg increase Ferrari should be the one 2 gain the most with KERS.

Other than Mclaren, Who have run it for more races, with less problems and its lighters so they can use the extra weight to sort out there balance.


By the way i dont think you could ever use it as a fuel saving device. It would be more useful as a starter if the engine stalled.

Do we have any more news on if they will run KERS next year. Last i heard FOTA said they would not run it.

[siskue2005]

I doubt it. Ferrari has had it with the senseless spending for very little gain and don't want it no more.
And what Ferrari don't want, the others won't get either.

as if Mclaren, Toyota, Renault, RBR, STR, Brawn gp cant think 4 themselves

and on the contrary, imagine how much Ferrari will gain with a system they ran for a year......with smaller front tyre and 620kg increase Ferrari should be the one 2 gain the most with KERS.

Other than Mclaren, Who have run it for more races, with less problems and its lighters so they can use the extra weight to sort out there balance.

constructors' Championship
3. Ferrari 56
4. McLaren 44

12 races Ferrari used KERS for 12 races
12 races McLaren used KERS for 10 races

until Hungary Gp Ferrari was the highest finishing KERS car

more podiums than McLaren till now

more pints finish than McLaren till now

[xpensive]

Domenicali said that at season's end, Ferrari will official bury one KERS-unit as a token of the end of it.
When you consider the outrageous investment for the energy equivalent of 0.012 liter of gas per lap,
you can appreciate where he's coming from.

If everyone's got it, it's nobody's gain, is it now?

[siskue2005]

Domenicali said that at season's end, Ferrari will official bury one KERS-unit as a token of the end of it.
When you consider the outrageous investment for the energy equivalent of 0.012 liter of gas per lap, you can appreciate where he's coming from.

If everyone's got it, it's nobody's gain, is it now?

exactly thats why EVERYONE want it banned
not how u blamed it on ferrari alone

[Sawtooth-spike]

Other than Mclaren, Who have run it for more races, with less problems and its lighters so they can use the extra weight to sort out there balance.

constructors' Championship
3. Ferrari 56
4. McLaren 44

12 races Ferrari used KERS for 12 races
12 races McLaren used KERS for 10 races

until Hungary Gp Ferrari was the highest finishing KERS car

more podiums than McLaren till now

more pints finish than McLaren till now

Err ok, I never metioned points did i?

How many KERS problems have Mclarren had oh thats right none

Of the 12 races with KERS mclaren ran 2 cars, Ferrari did not.

Point are nothing to do with next year. Mclaren have the lightest most reliable KERS. Fact.

[siskue2005]

Err ok, I never metioned points did i?

How many KERS problems have Mclarren had oh thats right none

maybe its a bit unreliable at beginning, now its very good

Of the 12 races with KERS mclaren ran 2 cars, Ferrari did not.

sorry i didnot get u there.

Point are nothing to do with next year. Mclaren have the lightest most reliable KERS. Fact.

Points are important coz it shows their car is fast with Kers onboard
Next yr with 620 kg minimum weight, Ferrari Kers wont have any weight distribution problems and also smaller front tyres will make it easy to find the best balance with Kers.
So the point is, banning Kers would be a loss 4 Ferrari AND Mclaren.

[Sawtooth-spike]

Err ok, I never metioned points did i?

How many KERS problems have Mclarren had oh thats right none

maybe its a bit unreliable at beginning, now its very good

Of the 12 races with KERS mclaren ran 2 cars, Ferrari did not.

sorry i didnot get u there.

Point are nothing to do with next year. Mclaren have the lightest most reliable KERS. Fact.

Points are important coz it shows their car is fast with Kers onboard
Next yr with 620 kg minimum weight, Ferrari Kers wont have any weight distribution problems and also smaller front tyres will make it easy to find the best balance with Kers.
So the point is, banning Kers would be a loss 4 Ferrari AND Mclaren.

When Mclaren ran KERS at a Race, they ran it on both cars, this was not always the case with Ferrari.

Do remember that Kimi Retired atleast twice due to KERS.

I do agree that its a big loss for both of them.

[siskue2005]

When Mclaren ran KERS at a Race, they ran it on both cars, this was not always the case with Ferrari.

but ferrari ran it on both cars for 11 out of 12 gps
and mclaren 10

Do remember that Kimi Retired atleast twice due to KERS.

one was in FP at Malaysia
and other during the rain effected race in Malaysia

I do agree that its a big loss for both of them.

exactly what i was trying to say and countering this post>>> "Ferrari has had it with the senseless spending for very little gain and don't want it no more.
And what Ferrari don't want, the others won't get either."
which has no logic at all!

[Richard]

Eh? Why did a conversation about the conceptual benefits of KERS become a McL v Ferrari slagging match? Yes Ferrari have had known KERS failures in both practice and races but McL have had none.

However, points won are also dependent on other factors such as driver skill, tyre degredation, team strategy, aero downforce, not having someone smash into you, or having loose heave springs fracturing your skull ... etc ... etc ... or am I oversimplifying things? Maybe it is just down to KERS and the other things are just showmanship like WWF?

Back to the OP...

I'm just wondering ..
...

Let the speculation begin!

There is a bunch of speculation on the thread linked below. Efficiencies get talked about around pages 10 onwards:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6882

[xpensive]

Either way, the Brawns seem to be doing just fine without the device?