2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

Dr obbs

From what I’ve heard, the team is working flat out to find a solution. There are certain parts of the car that have swung focus from the RB21 back to fixing the RB20. Updates are planned in the next few races. I won’t say which race because it could still change and I’m sure someone will call me a fraud if it does.

*Disclaimer* there is no guarantee the fixes will work. I just know they are developing and manufacturing parts to bring stability back to the car.

There is not even a guarantee that there will be updates in Austin or that they will work.

[Sergej]

You cannot have guarantee that Austin upgrades will work after almost a full season of not delivering updates, can you ? you would believe that in almost 3 month time, from summer break to Austin, they will figure out where is the problem and produce the correction, but let's not have too high hope for that.

[KimiRai]

Red Bull fans Aston Martin fans
Hoping the next upgrades finally work

[Silent Storm]

Also, based on direct comparison of Perez and Sainz with the same teammate Hulkenberg, Perez in fact was closer to Nico and more successful qualifier. You assumptions that Sainz would now run Max close over one lap is truly laughable, particularly in a RB cars of recent years, which were 'on the nose'. Leclerc wasn't nearly as good in qualifying as Max neither in karting, nor in F3 prior to F1. There us no single evidence to suggest he is either faster over one lap, or better and more consistent qualifier overall. The dude couldn't even progress into Q3/Q2 on couple of occasions. He might be indeed better than Max on few very particular circuits, some of his favorites, such as Baku, or say Singapore. Max is on the opposite side of the spectrum in terms of the preferences, he hates city circuits (leclerc said multiple times he loves them). Max would destroy Leclerc over one lap or race distance on pure drivers tracks, all greats loved the most - Spa and Suzuka. This is unbiased reality.

You're seriously underselling Leclerc. Even the most pessimistic people would not put Leclerc below narrowly 2nd best in quali. Leclerc is filthy quick. He's 25-7 in terms of pole positions against his teammates. He has never lost a quali H2H against a teammate. Him being quick at street tracks is not a point against him, it's quite the opposite, given that street tracks are the most technical and are generally considered to be more "driver oriented".

Verstappen is lighting quick, and almost certainly the better driver overall, but in terms of quali pace you would struggle to argue he's clearly better than Leclerc. Vettel is a 4 time champion and was always considered a quali specialist, yet got absolutely crushed in quali in 2019 by a 21 year old Leclerc in his sophomore season (7 poles against 2). Vettel is the best teammate either of them has faced.

Sainz is within a tenth of Leclerc this season, and has consistently lost about 2:1 in the quali head to head against Leclerc over their 4 years. He's quick enough to trouble Leclerc, and thus quick enough to trouble Max.

And Daniel crushed a peak Sebastian Vettel in 2014 in qualifying and races, Max has matched or beaten the same Daniel and arguably has gotten better since then.

Saying that, all this is OT. So let's keep it on topic and avoid driver yin yang.

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Horner and Vasseur are going to the FIA about flexiwings (which mclaren/merc benefit from a lot). So Marko's post-quali comments were not just random deflection

https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-and- ... l-f1-issue

Horner:

"It is an FIA issue, we'll leave it and trust in them to deal with it, but if it is acceptable, then you have to join it."

[AR3-GP]

Horner and Vasseur are going to the FIA about flexiwings (which mclaren/merc benefit from a lot). So Marko's post-quali comments were not just random deflection

pun intended?

[Paa]

What I really don't understand, that they must have noticed the bad behavior and correlation problem in recent months, and they were like:
"Hmm, I don't really understand why the car does not repeat what we see in the windtunnel and acts funny." *shrug* "Anyway, let's just design a brand new car, what could go wrong."

[AR3-GP]

If they manage to connect the front and rear, it could unlock a lot of laptime.

Isn't that what happened to Mercedes?

[dialtone]

If they manage to connect the front and rear, it could unlock a lot of laptime.

Isn't that what happened to Mercedes?

What happened to Mercedes is they introduced bubble gum to make their front wing.

[Sergej]

Horner and Vasseur are going to the FIA about flexiwings (which mclaren/merc benefit from a lot). So Marko's post-quali comments were not just random deflection

https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-and- ... l-f1-issue

Horner:

"It is an FIA issue, we'll leave it and trust in them to deal with it, but if it is acceptable, then you have to join it."

this will end up in nothing

no way FIA are nerfing McLaren (supposing this flex wing is a real thing) now that they can have a title fight till the end of the season

[dialtone]

Horner and Vasseur are going to the FIA about flexiwings (which mclaren/merc benefit from a lot). So Marko's post-quali comments were not just random deflection

https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-and- ... l-f1-issue

Horner:

"It is an FIA issue, we'll leave it and trust in them to deal with it, but if it is acceptable, then you have to join it."

this will end up in nothing

no way FIA are nerfing McLaren (supposing this flex wing is a real thing) now that they can have a title fight till the end of the season

Wrong conclusion imho.

The point of going to FIA with clarifications isn’t strictly to ban the other wing but know what the limit is so you can exploit it too.

There is no way there is no outcome, either the wing is banned or everyone will be a flappy bird.

[Sergej]

Horner and Vasseur are going to the FIA about flexiwings (which mclaren/merc benefit from a lot). So Marko's post-quali comments were not just random deflection

https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-and- ... l-f1-issue

Horner:

this will end up in nothing

no way FIA are nerfing McLaren (supposing this flex wing is a real thing) now that they can have a title fight till the end of the season

Wrong conclusion imho.

The point of going to FIA with clarifications isn’t strictly to ban the other wing but know what the limit is so you can exploit it too.

There is no way there is no outcome, either the wing is banned or everyone will be a flappy bird.

yeah maybe, but not for this year, at least for Red Bull, they are lost in understanding their own design, let alone implement a new flex front wing with all new air flows related

[AR3-GP]

In theory they can be closer in Baku because no one will use Monza specific wings there, which Red Bull don't have. In Singapore you only have to qualify well. Race pace doesn't matter.

If they can bring a working update to Austin, they can save this season. If they do not, they will lose both championships. Norris doesn't even need to win take 8 points per race.

[Sergej]

Singapore will be a disaster, we all know that; only hope is that Ferrari/Leclerc pull another miracle to steal some points to Lando.

Baku, I don't know, but it seems they will use this race to "experiment" with configurations so nothing good to expect.

[AR3-GP]

Singapore will be a disaster, we all know that; only hope is that Ferrari/Leclerc pull another miracle to steal some points to Lando.

Baku, I don't know, but it seems they will use this race to "experiment" with configurations so nothing good to expect.

One of the problems with Monza was everyone else having a Monza specific wing. That shouldn’t be a problem in Baku so they should be closer.

Also, there should be a safety car race eventually.