Exactly.
As with all updates there is a risk it'll take a couple races to fine tune. They had no time to check any issues last race and this race is completely different. Expect to see a clearer picture for next raceAR3-GP wrote: ↑03 Sep 2024, 16:00Hamilton:
https://formu1a.uno/it/allarme-mercedes ... ta-estiva/In the end, however, we needed a better balance with the car to achieve much more."
The new floor screwed up the balance which also increased tire wear.
It's been 3 weekends. Spa free practice, Zandvoort (not in the fight), Monza (not in the fight).cplchanb wrote: ↑03 Sep 2024, 17:24As with all updates there is a risk it'll take a couple races to fine tune. They had no time to check any issues last race and this race is completely different. Expect to see a clearer picture for next raceAR3-GP wrote: ↑03 Sep 2024, 16:00Hamilton:
https://formu1a.uno/it/allarme-mercedes ... ta-estiva/In the end, however, we needed a better balance with the car to achieve much more."
The new floor screwed up the balance which also increased tire wear.
They "have not swallowed a dumb pill" but Hungary and last two races demonstrate that W15 needs a cold and overcast/rainy race to shine. Who knows, maybe Spa upgrades would have worked well if Zandvoort race was a mixed one like last year
No one actually said that.. Just that driver feedback is important. if you want to keep arguing that fact, thats up to you, but like, Neway, yes Adrian Neway, say human feedback is vital. like a dude in motor racing for 40 + years says its vital, you say its not, Like i cant just brush off Neways opinion, the Man is an f1 legend on designing and building cars, his understanding of all area's of an f1 car is unequalled.
I'd really like to know why McLaren abandoned their plans to use Monza wing in Monza. The only clue I found was comparing Parabolica between Norris and Leclerc in FP1 on Softs, Norris was -8kmh there and blew the entire 0.15s advantage built up until then. However, he was only marginally quicker on straights (overall) compared to Piastri (who in FP1 was as quick as Norris in Q3 on main straight) and Piastri also had a moment in Ascari and Parabolica on his FP1 lap. Weird results in single FP running of that specPlatinumZealot wrote: ↑03 Sep 2024, 19:36Ferrari, Haas and Mclaren were the only ones with good balance in the race.. And mclaren at the expense of tyre wear (or was it pace that caused that?)....
The point is, Mercedes is struggling for 3 years now despite the feedback of the guy with 300+ races. Someone said, Mercedes would be lost if he leaves. It can't any worse than where they were in 2022. But that's not going to happen. That's where the point becomes relevant that if everything works, it's because of the guy with 300+ races, if it doesn't, "they don't listen to me".Mosin123 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2024, 19:46No one actually said that.. Just that driver feedback is important. if you want to keep arguing that fact, thats up to you, but like, Neway, yes Adrian Neway, say human feedback is vital. like a dude in motor racing for 40 + years says its vital, you say its not, Like i cant just brush off Neways opinion, the Man is an f1 legend on designing and building cars, his understanding of all area's of an f1 car is unequalled.
In a sport where teams chase 0.001's of a sec in performance. you think driver feedback and finding the sweet spot and setting up a car is irrelvent, and how driver feed back doesnt factor into development plans because its all irrelevent.
You should become a team principle, you would save loads of hours and funds removing all of that pointless testing, the reserve drivers and all that, like its irrelevent.. Stupid team priciples wasting all that money for all these years when it doesnt matter. bloody barmy the lot of them, you should have words with Neway too, he obviously doesnt know any thing compared to you.
As many team personnel confirmed, it was both drivers that were running experiments. A certain driver's downbeat behaviour, throwing team under the bus in public and accusing of sabotage are not great examples of leading the team. Toto had to call the police to contain a certain situation. Despite that, team made progress. So credit to those engineers and the other driver that kept their head down and worked wonders. Besides, I don't understand how a driver that is not part of any closed dioor meeting, as ge is leaving the team, could help the matters of car development.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024, 02:31So are you saying the Mercedes car did not improve year on year? Mercede still struggling with three wins in the last what? 7 races? The lead driver was fighting for 2nd in the championship last year?
The W15 started poorly due to change of concept and after experiments by a certain driver became a race winner.
Hehe. Sounds like revisionism.
Not sure when Lewis ever said the team was sabotaging him, he said he didnt expect to beat Russell in quali for the rest of the year and his fans ran with it, the very next weekend he shut down that talk. As of two months ago when asked, he was still involved in meetings as normal and hadnt been left out of anythingDunlay wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024, 03:09As many team personnel confirmed, it was both drivers that were running experiments. A certain driver's downbeat behaviour, throwing team under the bus in public and accusing of sabotage are not great examples of leading the team. Toto had to call the police to contain a certain situation. Despite that, team made progress. So credit to those engineers and the other driver that kept their head down and worked wonders. Besides, I don't understand how a driver that is not part of any closed dioor meeting, as ge is leaving the team, could help the matters of car development.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024, 02:31So are you saying the Mercedes car did not improve year on year? Mercede still struggling with three wins in the last what? 7 races? The lead driver was fighting for 2nd in the championship last year?
The W15 started poorly due to change of concept and after experiments by a certain driver became a race winner.
Hehe. Sounds like revisionism.
Luscion wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024, 03:32Not sure when Lewis ever said the team was sabotaging him, he said he didnt expect to beat Russell in quali for the rest of the year and his fans ran with it, the very next weekend he shut down that talk. As of two months ago when asked, he was still involved in meetings as normal and hadnt been left out of anythingDunlay wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024, 03:09As many team personnel confirmed, it was both drivers that were running experiments. A certain driver's downbeat behaviour, throwing team under the bus in public and accusing of sabotage are not great examples of leading the team. Toto had to call the police to contain a certain situation. Despite that, team made progress. So credit to those engineers and the other driver that kept their head down and worked wonders. Besides, I don't understand how a driver that is not part of any closed dioor meeting, as ge is leaving the team, could help the matters of car development.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024, 02:31So are you saying the Mercedes car did not improve year on year? Mercede still struggling with three wins in the last what? 7 races? The lead driver was fighting for 2nd in the championship last year?
The W15 started poorly due to change of concept and after experiments by a certain driver became a race winner.
Hehe. Sounds like revisionism.
https://racingnews365.com/hamilton-faci ... exit-looms
George has the new update.
There's 2 tenths I know I wont be able to make up.
I don't anticipate being ahead of George in qualifying this year.
The tail wags the dog?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024, 02:31So are you saying the Mercedes car did not improve year on year? Mercede still struggling with three wins in the last what? 7 races? The lead driver was fighting for 2nd in the championship last year?
The W15 started poorly due to change of concept and after experiments by a certain driver became a race winner.
Hehe. Sounds like revisionism.
Lewis saying he think he's down 2 tenths because of a new wing is him saying Merc is sabotaging him?Quantum wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024, 08:08Luscion wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024, 03:32Not sure when Lewis ever said the team was sabotaging him, he said he didnt expect to beat Russell in quali for the rest of the year and his fans ran with it, the very next weekend he shut down that talk. As of two months ago when asked, he was still involved in meetings as normal and hadnt been left out of anythingDunlay wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024, 03:09As many team personnel confirmed, it was both drivers that were running experiments. A certain driver's downbeat behaviour, throwing team under the bus in public and accusing of sabotage are not great examples of leading the team. Toto had to call the police to contain a certain situation. Despite that, team made progress. So credit to those engineers and the other driver that kept their head down and worked wonders. Besides, I don't understand how a driver that is not part of any closed dioor meeting, as ge is leaving the team, could help the matters of car development.
https://racingnews365.com/hamilton-faci ... exit-loomsGeorge has the new update.
There's 2 tenths I know I wont be able to make up.
I don't anticipate being ahead of George in qualifying this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtTD998oVWM