2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[lio007]

I somehow think it would be better to be not WCC this year. More WT-time may be really helpful in 2025.
It's not for granted a team builds a more competitive car, if more WT-time is available, but you can try more ideas.

Also with their new WT, which will be finished somewhen in 2025.

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I somehow think it would be better to be not WCC this year. More WT-time may be really helpful in 2025.
It's not for granted a team builds a more competitive car, if more WT-time is available, but you can try more ideas.

Also with their new WT, which will be finished somewhen in 2025.

It's also a good lesson for the team to trust the drivers and not the tools as much

[AR3-GP]

Dropping down to P3 (behind both Mclaren and Ferrari), would be even better.

[lio007]

I somehow think it would be better to be not WCC this year. More WT-time may be really helpful in 2025.
It's not for granted a team builds a more competitive car, if more WT-time is available, but you can try more ideas.

Also with their new WT, which will be finished somewhen in 2025.

It's also a good lesson for the team to trust the drivers and not the tools as much

Indeed.

BTW: any guesses that the team is looking for an engineering star-signing? Mike Elliott comes to my mind.
All in all I think it was a bit of a bad timing with the AN departure. I think Rob Marshall really would have been a nice replacement.

[lio007]

Dropping down to P3 (behind both Mclaren and Ferrari), would be even better.

Absolutely, if not P1, it really doesn't matter if it's "just" P3.
For sure there are bonus payments from sponsors for P1, but I think RBR can afford it.

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Dropping down to P3 (behind both Mclaren and Ferrari), would be even better.

I think that would require losing the drivers championship really.

[AR3-GP]

It's going to be interesting if Baku Perez turns up, especially with a more balanced car from Japan.

[Wouter]

Nico Rosberg (working for Sky Sport) said after Monza the GP Max and Lando didn't speak to eachother since the Austrian GP,

they aren't friends anymore!



At the Dutch GP:

[Sevach]

Indeed.

BTW: any guesses that the team is looking for an engineering star-signing? Mike Elliott comes to my mind.
All in all I think it was a bit of a bad timing with the AN departure. I think Rob Marshall really would have been a nice replacement.

Tough spot no doubt, Red Bull has been getting ransacked for talent for a while, but having Newey perhaps kept things stable...

[AR3-GP]

Indeed.

BTW: any guesses that the team is looking for an engineering star-signing? Mike Elliott comes to my mind.
All in all I think it was a bit of a bad timing with the AN departure. I think Rob Marshall really would have been a nice replacement.

Tough spot no doubt, Red Bull has been getting ransacked for talent for a while, but having Newey perhaps kept things stable...

It will happen to Mclaren eventually.

[Sevach]

Indeed.

BTW: any guesses that the team is looking for an engineering star-signing? Mike Elliott comes to my mind.
All in all I think it was a bit of a bad timing with the AN departure. I think Rob Marshall really would have been a nice replacement.

Tough spot no doubt, Red Bull has been getting ransacked for talent for a while, but having Newey perhaps kept things stable...

It will happen to Mclaren eventually.

Happens to them all.

[Vanja #66]

It's how Mercedes failed with the W13.

In my opinion, this was the difference between Newey and Wache leadership. Wache must have thought everything is so simple and that he could replace Newey with a systematic simulation led approach. Put all the ideas into the blender and let the simulations and tools decide for you...The tools and simulations told them to do shark mouths and concepts inspired by other cars (W13), but these concepts already failed on other cars (stiff suspension, low ground clearance, shrunken side pods, canon rear engine cover, were all failures of the W13). They must have thought their simulations and tools would lead them away from the mistakes that Mercedes made with these concepts, but it turns out to not be too different to how the W13 turned out. Peaky car with tiny operating window that was struck once in a blue moon.

You need more than tools and simulations. Simulations can make you think something is a good idea, but intuition can make you think twice. Newey had intuition which they lack now. Mclaren shows that it is possible to work without Newey, so Red Bull will have to find their own way.

But the car was class of the field until Miami and Imola. What can possibly be so wrong with its concept if it had such a mega start over the field?

I simply have to weigh in on that McLaren comment, they are absolutely not the first team to show you can succeed without Newey (and without massive PU advantage). Not in this reg cycle, not in the cycle before, not in any cycle in the last 30+ years. With that in mind, I'd be stunned if Horner never understood that his friend will eventually walk away and the team needs to move on. I'm sure he also understood any PU other than your own is ultimately out of your control. If RBR can only succeed with Newey and relying on external PU supplier and their own agenda, the team without results will become a burden for Red Bull brand (in post-DM era) and will either dissolve or be sold out. I'm sure Marko has the same personal opinion

[AR3-GP]

[Sergej]

translated: we will suck

[Juzh]

Will be 3-4th car. Mclaren will dominate this track with a bunch of those 100-200 corners, ferrari/LEC behind them, then the scrap between Max/mercs. Per will be 8th as usual.
There's no real high speed corners on this track so RB20 will be weak AF around here.