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[Emag]

On the left you don't have a comparison between Norris and Oscar, it just shows what was happening at low speed vs high speed.

And as I mentioned, the speed difference of their fastest laps (what's shown in the right) is because Oscar had DRS on his fastest lap :

https://i.imgur.com/cE2QpoZ.png

Piastri didn't have the DRS in that lap or the effect is so small that they don't go over 330 km/h?

I mean, he did have DRS I do not know what to tell you. It depends on what strat he was as well. Could have gone in cooling mode after Charles dropped. I don't want to continue this here anymore, perhaps we should move it to another thread?

[Autobahn303]

Damnit, the first stint looked so promising.

[dialtone]

On the left you don't have a comparison between Norris and Oscar, it just shows what was happening at low speed vs high speed.

And as I mentioned, the speed difference of their fastest laps (what's shown in the right) is because Oscar had DRS on his fastest lap :

https://i.imgur.com/cE2QpoZ.png

Piastri didn't have the DRS in that lap or the effect is so small that they don't go over 330 km/h?

I mean, he did have DRS I do not know what to tell you. It depends on what strat he was as well. Could have gone in cooling mode after Charles dropped. I don't want to continue this here anymore, perhaps we should move it to another thread?

Piastri had DRS all race long, even without a car in front.

[Emag]

Piastri didn't have the DRS in that lap or the effect is so small that they don't go over 330 km/h?

I mean, he did have DRS I do not know what to tell you. It depends on what strat he was as well. Could have gone in cooling mode after Charles dropped. I don't want to continue this here anymore, perhaps we should move it to another thread?

Piastri had DRS all race long, even without a car in front.

He had the actual DRS opened for the lap in question. As for what the FIA thinks about this, remains to be seen. If they allow it, I don't think anyone can afford to not bring something like this for themselves. I am not equipped with the knowledge to tell you how much this would be worth, but anything matters in a grid so tight.

Calling it an extra DRS is a bit of a stretch though. If they do ban it, assuming it's not blatantly braking a rule I don't see them getting disqualified. They will just forbid them from using this trick in the future.

[dialtone]

Calling it an extra DRS is a bit of a stretch though. If they do ban it, assuming it's not blatantly braking a rule I don't see them getting disqualified. They will just forbid them from using this trick in the future.

Yes it’s a stretch for comedic purposes but that’s worth a lot still. Flexing of the wing plus tips is an easy 2-3kph, that will make once again balance easier to protect rear tires and remove 10-15% of DRS effect in other cars.

[Xyz22]

Damnit, the first stint looked so promising.

Everything went badly after that

[Emag]

Calling it an extra DRS is a bit of a stretch though. If they do ban it, assuming it's not blatantly braking a rule I don't see them getting disqualified. They will just forbid them from using this trick in the future.

Yes it’s a stretch for comedic purposes but that’s worth a lot still. Flexing of the wing plus tips is an easy 2-3kph, that will make once again balance easier to protect rear tires and remove 10-15% of DRS effect in other cars.

McLaren was running with a lower DF rear wing than Ferrari here though, so I would only call it a big difference maker if they could maintain the same flap angle (higher downforce) while having more top speed without DRS. But they had less wing than both RB and Ferrari.

That's why I am being cautious in putting a number on how much it would be worth.

It could be a problem because it's exploiting the DRS opening though and that's what bothers me. Flaps on their own flex, even Ferrari's flap flexes a bit under load. But we haven't seen a wing flex from the tips to widen the DRS gap before.

[ing.]

https://x.com/Varyzia/status/1835315375174455374

WTF

DRS gap test should catch this.

Lol no

LOL, do you know how the test works? The maximum gap is tested by attempting to insert a NO-GO gauge—that can be forced through with a certain force—so if the flap is deflecting under load on track it could deflect enough for the gauge to go through. LOL.

[Autobahn303]

Damnit, the first stint looked so promising.

Everything went badly after that

Yeah. And even if Charles had defenden against Oscar, Oscar would have past Charles on the next lap. That McLaren in the hands of Oscar was a much better package, especially on the hards.

As mentioned earlier, P1 was lost at the inlap and outlap.

[Xyz22]

Damnit, the first stint looked so promising.

Everything went badly after that

Yeah. And even if Charles had defenden against Oscar, Oscar would have past Charles on the next lap. That McLaren in the hands of Oscar was a much better package, especially on the hards.

As mentioned earlier, P1 was lost at the inlap and outlap.

In terms of overall pace, Leclerc was for sure quicker but the warm-up on the hards was a huge limitation.

[venkyhere]

Horrible last two laps by Leclerc and shocking outlap compared to Oscar :

https://i.imgur.com/K870CP5.png

>4 seconds lost in just a handful of laps.

LEC- IN-lap 16 (1:53:843) , OUT-lap 17 (2:06:070)
PIA - IN-lap 15 (1:53:510) , OUT-lap 16 (2:03:253)
gain from these = 0.333 + 2.817 = 3.15s.

The 'extra lap' by LEC on old tyres - lap15 (1:49:989)
The 'extra lap' by PIA on new tyres - lap17 (1:48:555)
gain from this 'extra lap' = 1.434s.

Total gain from undercut = 4.584s.
The 6.2s lead that LEC had when PIA decided to undercut, was shrunk to 1.6s.
The culprit is the outlap.
If we remove the 2.8s from that 'loss', the undercut loss would be ~1.8s (which is what is usuall y regarded as the 2s undercut pitstop window).


This bad-outlap, and leaving the door open at T1 is the reason LeClerc lost the lead, and the race.

[Autobahn303]

Everything went badly after that

Yeah. And even if Charles had defenden against Oscar, Oscar would have past Charles on the next lap. That McLaren in the hands of Oscar was a much better package, especially on the hards.

As mentioned earlier, P1 was lost at the inlap and outlap.

In terms of overall pace, Leclerc was for sure quicker but the warm-up on the hards was a huge limitation.

Then why couldn't Charles get close enough to make a move when he's hard tyres was up to temp?

[Xyz22]

Yeah. And even if Charles had defenden against Oscar, Oscar would have past Charles on the next lap. That McLaren in the hands of Oscar was a much better package, especially on the hards.

As mentioned earlier, P1 was lost at the inlap and outlap.

In terms of overall pace, Leclerc was for sure quicker but the warm-up on the hards was a huge limitation.

Then why couldn't Charles get close enough to make a move when he's hard tyres was up to temp?

Leclerc was actually very close but the McLaren had insane speed in the straights and now we know why.
Some laps leclerc was around 0.5s behind when opening the DRS which is usually enough and means you are quite quicker.

[FittingMechanics]

Yeah. And even if Charles had defenden against Oscar, Oscar would have past Charles on the next lap. That McLaren in the hands of Oscar was a much better package, especially on the hards.

As mentioned earlier, P1 was lost at the inlap and outlap.

In terms of overall pace, Leclerc was for sure quicker but the warm-up on the hards was a huge limitation.

Then why couldn't Charles get close enough to make a move when he's hard tyres was up to temp?

And the car with DRS gains time each lap.

I think it is conclusive Ferrari was fastest in 1st stint but we can't be sure in 2nd stint. It was close.

Sainz in clear air didn't really light the world on fire but he did catch up slowly.

[bluechris]

In terms of overall pace, Leclerc was for sure quicker but the warm-up on the hards was a huge limitation.

Then why couldn't Charles get close enough to make a move when he's hard tyres was up to temp?

Leclerc was actually very close but the McLaren had insane speed in the straights and now we know why.
Some laps leclerc was around 0.5s behind when opening the DRS which is usually enough and means you are quite quicker.

We need asap flexy upgrades in both wings.