2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[yooogurt]

LEC- IN-lap 16 (1:53:843) , OUT-lap 17 (2:06:070)
PIA - IN-lap 15 (1:53:510) , OUT-lap 16 (2:03:253)
gain from these = 0.333 + 2.817 = 3.15s.

The 'extra lap' by LEC on old tyres - lap15 (1:49:989)
The 'extra lap' by PIA on new tyres - lap17 (1:48:555)
gain from this 'extra lap' = 1.434s.

Total gain from undercut = 4.584s.
The 6.2s lead that LEC had when PIA decided to undercut, was shrunk to 1.6s.
The culprit is the outlap.
If we remove the 2.8s from that 'loss', the undercut loss would be ~1.8s (which is what is usuall y regarded as the 2s undercut pitstop window).


This bad-outlap, and leaving the door open at T1 is the reason LeClerc lost the lead, and the race.

Wait a minute, when Charles pulled out after the pit stop the gap to Oscar was 1.4 sec, if 1.4 was lost due to undercat and 0.4 due to in-lap, then we lost 3 seconds somewhere in the pit lane after the start straight, no? Although as I remember the pit stop was a good 2.4 or less.

[Xyz22]

And Piastri had a slower car and is in his 2nd year in F1. Leclerc should have been sharper.

Agree that Leclerc should have been sharper.

[ScuderiaLeo]

After so many seasons in F1 Charles should have managed better...even if he got overtaken he had a few chances to overtake. A Verstappen or a Hamilton would try a lunge on the inside instead of trying to get by from the outside. The car stayed at DRS distance for so many laps and the tyres held so many laps. Ferrari was 0.3s at least faster...

Expecting Leclerc to replicate Piastri's move is unrealistic. Piastri took advantage of the fact Leclerc was still prepping his tires, a situation Leclerc wasn't in when he was behind Piastri. It was a bold and impressive move, full kudos to him. But if Leclerc had tried the same move on a defensive Piastri on better tires, he would have ended up crashing into Piastri's rear and then we'd all be calling him an idiot.

It's important to go for opportunities but if he's already been passed and the overtake is unlikely, I would much rather he take the podium points than risk getting 0. The team has already lost so many points to stupid mistakes this year, P1 vs P2 is not worth binning it. I mean, just this race we lost 12-15 points (which I'm trying not to think about still...)

[bluechris]

I cannot blame Leclerc on this or the car or anything, i don't think any other driver could had the ability to be in dirty air for so many laps destroying his tyres in the process. To me the car was super good in this situation and count also the mini-drs of McLaren where noone can fight that atm.

[Henri]

After so many seasons in F1 Charles should have managed better...even if he got overtaken he had a few chances to overtake. A Verstappen or a Hamilton would try a lunge on the inside instead of trying to get by from the outside. The car stayed at DRS distance for so many laps and the tyres held so many laps. Ferrari was 0.3s at least faster...

Verstappen or Hamilton would have never been there in the first place as they are quite mediocre in this track.

Oscar outclassed leclerc in a slower car.. sainz catching perez showed how fast the car was

[bluechris]

After so many seasons in F1 Charles should have managed better...even if he got overtaken he had a few chances to overtake. A Verstappen or a Hamilton would try a lunge on the inside instead of trying to get by from the outside. The car stayed at DRS distance for so many laps and the tyres held so many laps. Ferrari was 0.3s at least faster...

Verstappen or Hamilton would have never been there in the first place as they are quite mediocre in this track.

Oscar outclassed leclerc in a slower car.. sainz catching perez showed how fast the car was

Oscan was a bit of unknown for everyone including Leclerc, now the rest of the drivers starting to learn him, he is good but need time to learn how to keep his tyres in good condition etc.

[venkyhere]

LEC- IN-lap 16 (1:53:843) , OUT-lap 17 (2:06:070)
PIA - IN-lap 15 (1:53:510) , OUT-lap 16 (2:03:253)
gain from these = 0.333 + 2.817 = 3.15s.

The 'extra lap' by LEC on old tyres - lap15 (1:49:989)
The 'extra lap' by PIA on new tyres - lap17 (1:48:555)
gain from this 'extra lap' = 1.434s.

Total gain from undercut = 4.584s.
The 6.2s lead that LEC had when PIA decided to undercut, was shrunk to 1.6s.
The culprit is the outlap.
If we remove the 2.8s from that 'loss', the undercut loss would be ~1.8s (which is what is usuall y regarded as the 2s undercut pitstop window).


This bad-outlap, and leaving the door open at T1 is the reason LeClerc lost the lead, and the race.

Wait a minute, when Charles pulled out after the pit stop the gap to Oscar was 1.4 sec, if 1.4 was lost due to undercat and 0.4 due to in-lap, then we lost 3 seconds somewhere in the pit lane after the start straight, no? Although as I remember the pit stop was a good 2.4 or less.

Not following your Q/doubt.
LeClerc to Piastri loss = 0.333 (in-lap) + 2.817 (outlap) + 1.434 (extra lap on M by LEC, v/s extra lap on H by PIA, the actual undercut difference) = total loss of 4.584.

[F1NAC]

A lots of comments pointing to Leclerc's defense on Piastri where he dropped the lead. Well, had Charles went defending inside I doubt he would have much traction on colder tyres out of T1. This one is difficult to swallow. The car was great on mediums. Had we pitted right after Perez, we would be writting different things.

[bananapeel23]

A lots of comments pointing to Leclerc's defense on Piastri where he dropped the lead. Well, had Charles went defending inside I doubt he would have much traction on colder tyres out of T1. This one is difficult to swallow. The car was great on mediums. Had we pitted right after Perez, we would be writting different things.

In hindsight undercutting would have been the move. Piastri didn't have the pace to challenge him on the in-lap and given how well Sainz's tyres held up when not running within 1 second of the car in front for 30 laps, a small tyre delta for Piastri likely wouldn'thave meant much in the end.

Frankly it's a miracle that Leclerc could stay so close for so long before his tyres fell off. The Ferrari had disgustingly good tyre wear on both compounds, even if they were just incredible on the mediums.

That said. This race was really a shame and Leclerc aboslutely had the fastest car in clean air. He was also just incredibly unlucky that he was sandwiched by Piastri and Perez so he couldn't just drop back into cleaner air and get ready for a serious push to retake the lead.

[Henri]

https://x.com/F1GuyDan/status/1835366720623816746? Shows how fast the sf24 has been since the summer break.. its f175 levels pf performance

[yooogurt]

Not following your Q/doubt.
LeClerc to Piastri loss = 0.333 (in-lap) + 2.817 (outlap) + 1.434 (extra lap on M by LEC, v/s extra lap on H by PIA, the actual undercut difference) = total loss of 4.584.

I meant that 2.8 sec were not lost on the outlap, because when Charles left the pitstop there was already 1.4 to Oscar. After analysing it, I came to the conclusion that the 2.8sec Charles lost on the acceleration after the pitlane to the first detection point.

[Xyz22]

After so many seasons in F1 Charles should have managed better...even if he got overtaken he had a few chances to overtake. A Verstappen or a Hamilton would try a lunge on the inside instead of trying to get by from the outside. The car stayed at DRS distance for so many laps and the tyres held so many laps. Ferrari was 0.3s at least faster...

Verstappen or Hamilton would have never been there in the first place as they are quite mediocre in this track.

Oscar outclassed leclerc in a slower car.. sainz catching perez showed how fast the car was

Costly evaluation mistake by both the Team (which was instructing Leclerc only about tyres instead of focusing on track position) and Leclerc himself. The car was quick in free air, absolutely.

They were overconfident in their plan. It happens.

[venkyhere]

Not following your Q/doubt.
LeClerc to Piastri loss = 0.333 (in-lap) + 2.817 (outlap) + 1.434 (extra lap on M by LEC, v/s extra lap on H by PIA, the actual undercut difference) = total loss of 4.584.

I meant that 2.8 sec were not lost on the outlap, because when Charles left the pitstop there was already 1.4 to Oscar. After analysing it, I came to the conclusion that the 2.8sec Charles lost on the acceleration after the pitlane to the first detection point.

Oh.. it wasn't a slow stop.. then how come ? did any of the midfielders block his path when they came out thus making him brake hard and lose time in the pitlane ?

[yooogurt]

Oh.. it wasn't a slow stop.. then how come ? did any of the midfielders block his path when they came out thus making him brake hard and lose time in the pitlane ?

Time in the pitlane for him and Oscar +/- the same, the loss at the inlap we also know, only the acceleration after the pitlane remains, because he left ahead of Albon. Actually, Charles confirmed it in the interview, saying about two mistakes: ‘The first one was due to hard tyres when leaving the pit lane’.

[bananapeel23]

https://x.com/F1GuyDan/status/1835366720623816746? Shows how fast the sf24 has been since the summer break.. its f175 levels pf performance

It's not as good as peak F1-75. The F1-75 was clearly the best car at times on a variety of tracks and utterly dominant in places like Australia, Monaco and Austria. I think it's just a case of Leclerc putting in a much better performance in 2024 and the car not getting destroyed by a TD.