This is how I see it as well.AR3-GP wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 19:20It makes sense that the car's aero got more peaky as time went on. Remember how the RB18 launched with massively rounded off diffuser corners? It's like they were not even using the full expansion allowed by the rules. Details like this must have given the RB18 it's nice and progressive ride height insensitive aero characteristics. As the need to increase performance continued, they started using more and more diffuser volume, and more aggressive expansion details. This comes with the downside of peakiness and ride height sensitivity.
The floor and diffuser height regulation changes that were introduced in 2023 are probably also related to this. This is when Red Bull had to go away from running higher ground clearances in order to compensate for losing so much ground clearance due to the floor and diffuser throat being raised the 10-15 mm.
I don't think Singapore will be too bad. I actually think the reason they were bad in Singapore last year is connected to the problems that they have now. It was essentially exposing the sensitivity of the floor to ground clearance and how peaky it had become on a bumpy track where ground clearance was changing a lot. Last year in singapore, the drivers were saying the rear was unpredictable entering the corners. This is the same problem they faced more and more this year and came to a head in Monza.pantherxxx wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 23:10Why people are so scared of Singapore? It's full of 90 degree corners which means it's easier to setup the car there. Just because Red Bull was weak there last year, it doesn't mean anything. Interestingly, Checo won in 2022.
Common sense I tend to think they are flouting the rules. But I think almost ever successful team does it. Red Bull back in the days were the masters of flexing wings and making it comply with any test, even if peak loads were well above it.Bill wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 18:06i use common senseWatto wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 17:59Macklaren wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024, 17:33i think its legal but probably push the grey areas more than others .
I am perhaps a little suspect of them saying it would take too long to redesign front wings to better comply if they updated the rules re like AM with their front wing a few years ago and RBR with their flexing rear wing given a few weeks to comply to new test ms a few years ago they were legal in they passed all tests - as per McLaren here, but maybe not the intent of them so fair play to anyone taking advantage.All teams look for loopholes sometimes the FIA clamps down others they don’t. Until/if they change rules though it’s all above board.
just curious -- how do you distinguish between "outdeveloped innovation" and "illegal device". Esp. if the FIA has looked at it and signed off as legal, as they did last week?
mclaren rear wing drs flap partially open on straight and leave a small letterbox gap. that just straight up illegal. The drs is either open or shut completely, and you can only use it at designated location.Watto wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024, 02:30Common sense I tend to think they are flouting the rules. But I think almost ever successful team does it. Red Bull back in the days were the masters of flexing wings and making it comply with any test, even if peak loads were well above it.
The changing of blown diffuser rules.Exhaust locations. Then the hold and cold blown diffusers, Merc with DAS. Various teams with variations of holes in the front wing running through the cockpit where the driver was required at times to cover the hold iirc was about stalling the rear wing? There were iirc rules about mechanical methods to make that work they got around it saying it was for driver cooling.
I do think the FIA perhaps picks and chooses when it wants to clamp down on such things.Where they pass every test but maybe not the intent of the test. I am very skeptical of the excuse it would take too long to have teams comply. I think if teams had to they could do it very very quickly - lose the advantage it provided but still pass every test etc.
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Bill wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024, 08:33mclaren rear wing drs flap partially open on straight and leave a small letterbox gap. that just straight up illegal. The drs is either open or shut completely, and you can only use it at designated location.Watto wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024, 02:30Common sense I tend to think they are flouting the rules. But I think almost ever successful team does it. Red Bull back in the days were the masters of flexing wings and making it comply with any test, even if peak loads were well above it.
The changing of blown diffuser rules.Exhaust locations. Then the hold and cold blown diffusers, Merc with DAS. Various teams with variations of holes in the front wing running through the cockpit where the driver was required at times to cover the hold iirc was about stalling the rear wing? There were iirc rules about mechanical methods to make that work they got around it saying it was for driver cooling.
I do think the FIA perhaps picks and chooses when it wants to clamp down on such things.Where they pass every test but maybe not the intent of the test. I am very skeptical of the excuse it would take too long to have teams comply. I think if teams had to they could do it very very quickly - lose the advantage it provided but still pass every test etc.
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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/did-m ... /10654905/McG wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024, 12:56No it doesn't.
Bill wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024, 08:33mclaren rear wing drs flap partially open on straight and leave a small letterbox gap. that just straight up illegal. The drs is either open or shut completely, and you can only use it at designated location.Watto wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024, 02:30
Common sense I tend to think they are flouting the rules. But I think almost ever successful team does it. Red Bull back in the days were the masters of flexing wings and making it comply with any test, even if peak loads were well above it.
The changing of blown diffuser rules.Exhaust locations. Then the hold and cold blown diffusers, Merc with DAS. Various teams with variations of holes in the front wing running through the cockpit where the driver was required at times to cover the hold iirc was about stalling the rear wing? There were iirc rules about mechanical methods to make that work they got around it saying it was for driver cooling.
I do think the FIA perhaps picks and chooses when it wants to clamp down on such things.Where they pass every test but maybe not the intent of the test. I am very skeptical of the excuse it would take too long to have teams comply. I think if teams had to they could do it very very quickly - lose the advantage it provided but still pass every test etc.