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Vanja #66 wrote:
19 Sep 2024, 15:16
Properly cranked up on the front, looks good for more front bite. Let's see how it flexes :lol:
According to Formu1a.uno is similar to the first spec of the SF 23 front wing. Hopefully it will work :D

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Vanja #66 wrote:
19 Sep 2024, 15:16
Properly cranked up on the front, looks good for more front bite. Let's see how it flexes :lol:
Ideally, that frontal area shrinks into the oblivion under enough load.

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Xyz22 wrote:
19 Sep 2024, 15:19
According to Formu1a.uno is similar to the first spec of the SF 23 front wing. Hopefully it will work :D
Yes, it's similar that the difference between central loading and the tip is a discrete drop, but overall when you compare to Monaco and Hungary SF24 specs, you'll see it has more frontal area, thus bigger angle. When proper photos for comparison come up we will see

scuderiabrandon wrote:
19 Sep 2024, 15:22
Ideally, that frontal area shrinks into the oblivion under enough load.
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Vanja #66 wrote:
19 Sep 2024, 15:16
Properly cranked up on the front, looks good for more front bite. Let's see how it flexes :lol:
Maybe Charles won't need +672 clicks after this

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leblanc wrote:
19 Sep 2024, 16:54
Vanja #66 wrote:
19 Sep 2024, 15:16
Properly cranked up on the front, looks good for more front bite. Let's see how it flexes :lol:
Maybe Charles won't need +672 clicks after this
Back to our regularly scheduled Leclerc domination of Sainz in qualifying, as is tradition when the car balance shifts forward.

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About the new front wing:

"The new specification doesn’t feature major changes or large differences in the flaps. Observing the mainplane and the second flap, the geometry has remained the same, indicating that the airflow path is correct and optimally feeds the floor.

What changes with the new specification are not the flaps but small elements that bring significant aerodynamic benefits. The innovations lie in the connection between the flaps and the endplate. These changes are visible compared to the previous specification, as the titanium support has now been “replaced” with a carbon fiber connection.

This is where a modification inspired by McLaren’s wing comes in. The last two flaps are connected to the endplate but feature a slight “curl.” This allows the new wing to generate a much more effective vortex toward the outside of the wheel. This modification introduces several advantages, as it accelerates the outwash flow and improves local low pressure for a better front end.

In addition to the changes in the joint between the flaps and the endplate, Ferrari is expected to have modified the arrangement of the carbon fibers. A different allocation of the layers changes the flex level of the elements depending on the applied force. This adjustment is necessary to “cancel” drag at high speeds, with the flaps lowering and then returning to the standard position below a certain threshold."

Source: https://scuderiafans.com/analysis-of-up ... ront-wing/

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I believe the prime benefit of flexi front wings is not 'reduced drag'. Reduced drag in a straight line at high speed, is a secondary benefit that. The prime benefit, according to me is in high speed corners. The FW flexes, reduce the front downforce, shifts the center of pressure rearwards in the car "automatically" and introduces understeer. That's what the driver wants in a long radius high speed corner. In slower corners, no FW flex, high downforce in the nose => helps rotate the car faster. This 'dynamic balance change to suit different types of corners' is the real benefit of a flexi FW.

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Confirmation. 2 elements and the tip, flexiwing. Nothing else new.

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The old version
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Interesting pictures here
In the first picture (supposedly new on the stand) - the top flap has the carbon fibres arranged horizontally and the second one vertically
In the second picture (old) - both top flaps have the carbon fibres arranged horizontally
In the last picture (supposedly new but on track) - both top flaps have the carbon fibres arranged vertically.

I guess they are really trying things out to achieve the flexibility they need.

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venkyhere wrote:
20 Sep 2024, 07:23
I believe the prime benefit of flexi front wings is not 'reduced drag'. Reduced drag in a straight line at high speed, is a secondary benefit that. The prime benefit, according to me is in high speed corners. The FW flexes, reduce the front downforce, shifts the center of pressure rearwards in the car "automatically" and introduces understeer. That's what the driver wants in a long radius high speed corner. In slower corners, no FW flex, high downforce in the nose => helps rotate the car faster. This 'dynamic balance change to suit different types of corners' is the real benefit of a flexi FW.
There is no scenario where any driver would want to induce understeer mid corner, except to counteract snap oversteer. Understeer is especially hurtful on a long radius corner that you take as an example here.

The benefit of flexing wings comes from the fact that you can run with a lot more load at the front, without a drag penalty which would otherwise nullify the advantages in (certain) corners with losses on the straights.

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The transition tip of the 4th flap (mid span) is seriously cranked up, leaves an impression of a section that might get substantial local separation but it's highly unlikely. There might be some cross flow there, inwash on the bottom and outwash on top

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For some reason, there was a lot of flow vis on the rear, it doesn't look like there's anything new, but there may be some subtle beam wing changes. Looks to me like the tips of the second element are smaller now, very subtle change.

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amr wrote:
20 Sep 2024, 14:04
Interesting pictures here
In the first picture (supposedly new on the stand) - the top flap has the carbon fibres arranged horizontally and the second one vertically
In the second picture (old) - both top flaps have the carbon fibres arranged horizontally
In the last picture (supposedly new but on track) - both top flaps have the carbon fibres arranged vertically.

I guess they are really trying things out to achieve the flexibility they need.
That's not fibre direction, what you see as grey and black is twill reflection. Fibres are actually under slightly different angles on 4th flaps, while 3rd flap is almost the same
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Has anyone seen if it flexes?
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