+ 15 Years without a championship
That’s not quite how karma works…if it even existed in the first placeJurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 12:52So Hamilton is going to receive the Bottas and Kovalainen treatment for the rest of the season. It could be described with one word: 'karma'.
You can look for people most responsible for those decisions in Ferrari, but you won't find them in the team any more.aMessageToCharlie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 13:25Is this sarcasm? You might want to ask VET and LEC how much of a no brainer Ferrari's strategy calls are. If it will be anything like in the past, the fireworks are ready.
Yes. The rest of the team matters in a team sport. To win requires hundreds of people performing at the peak of their powers. Hence, thanking the team when you win.Matt2725 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 12:02So Lewis is saying he has no agency or say over his tyre choice?
Sorry but I don't believe that for a second. Hamilton has been economical with the truth previously and is likely leaving out a few crucial details as to his involvement in that process. Either that or every success he's had in the past is all down to the team and not any decision he's ever made personally. He can't have it both ways.
I think the fact that Russell is also seemingly backing what Lewis is saying here with the "when i saw that, i was thinking, lewis wont be happy." line gives it more validity. Russell could have easily called out Lewis if it wasnt the caseMatt2725 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 12:02So Lewis is saying he has no agency or say over his tyre choice?
Sorry but I don't believe that for a second. Hamilton has been economical with the truth previously and is likely leaving out a few crucial details as to his involvement in that process. Either that or every success he's had in the past is all down to the team and not any decision he's ever made personally. He can't have it both ways.
Ferrari has had a good technical team that has churned good cars periodically, albeit exploiting grey areas and got screwed. We still don't know if the current car is built along the same lines. But one thing that was certain was that their strategy team was and is run by clowns (past & present). Leaving Leclerc with-10c tyres in Singapore qualifying is an example of that. Someone somewhere always drops the ball. Leclerc lost 6 Seconds over Oscar in Baku in the pits and I don't know if there was an explanation.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 14:11You can look for people most responsible for those decisions in Ferrari, but you won't find them in the team any more.aMessageToCharlie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 13:25Is this sarcasm? You might want to ask VET and LEC how much of a no brainer Ferrari's strategy calls are. If it will be anything like in the past, the fireworks are ready.
McLaren was down in the bottom of the midfield at the start of last season. Ferrari was challenged by Alpines, Haas and others in this same period. AMR was the best of the rest and now are scrapping for points. Red Bull was dominant for 2 and a half years in this reg cycle and now can barely get a podium, provided McLaren and Ferrari make a big mistake during a weekend. Things change dramatically from start to end of season, what was taken for granted 3 years ago is no longer applicable.
Hamilton can override at any point, he did so in Silverstone.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 13:53Agreeing and deciding is not the same thing.Quantum wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 13:15https://formu1a.uno/en/wolff-admits-mer ... l-evening/
And that was the wrong decision that we all took together jointly. It felt like a good offset, but with the real tyre deg that we had, there was just one way, and that was backwards.
In business you have to say "we took decision together" when you are representing your team, company or group after a decision was made. It's just aformality. However you can still sya you disagree with it.
And not doing so in Spa looks to have also been the right decision…. Also, there is a difference between the decisions that are made before the race and the decisions that are made on the fly. Turkey 2020 for example.Quantum wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 14:47Hamilton can override at any point, he did so in Silverstone.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 13:53Agreeing and deciding is not the same thing.
In business you have to say "we took decision together" when you are representing your team, company or group after a decision was made. It's just aformality. However you can still sya you disagree with it.
He didn't in Spa.
Agreeing/Deciding rabbit holes are unnecessary.
They're both reliant on the data available. It's not a different discipline.
I want to believe anyone calling out Ferrari for "exploiting" grey areas is simply missing the irony of itmendis wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 14:31Ferrari has had a good technical team that has churned good cars periodically, albeit exploiting grey areas and got screwed. We still don't know if the current car is built along the same lines. But one thing that was certain was that their strategy team was and is run by clowns (past & present). Leaving Leclerc with-10c tyres in Singapore qualifying is an example of that. Someone somewhere always drops the ball. Leclerc lost 6 Seconds over Oscar in Baku in the pits and I don't know if there was an explanation.
It also tells you that him and others were aware that it was a pretty --- call.Luscion wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 14:16I think the fact that Russell is also seemingly backing what Lewis is saying here with the "when i saw that, i was thinking, lewis wont be happy." line gives it more validity. Russell could have easily called out Lewis if it wasnt the caseMatt2725 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 12:02So Lewis is saying he has no agency or say over his tyre choice?
Sorry but I don't believe that for a second. Hamilton has been economical with the truth previously and is likely leaving out a few crucial details as to his involvement in that process. Either that or every success he's had in the past is all down to the team and not any decision he's ever made personally. He can't have it both ways.