Ambrose got done for speeding at Montreal in the wet Nationwide race the other year too after dominating and subsequently lost the race, but in answer to your question: IIRC NASCAR have a 5MPH tolerance due to the lack of electronics on the cars (Seriously, can we have tuned port fuel injection please with a standard ECU? The Aussie V8's get 630+HP out of 2 valve, 5.0ltr iron blocks despite being rev limited to 7500rpm).jon-mullen wrote:After leading 116 of 160 laps in Sunday's Brickyard 400, Juan Pablo Montoya was penalized for speeding on pit lane. It was during a green-flag stop when he had ~5 seconds in hand.
Did NASCAR move him out of the way so two whitebread drivers whose cars had not been as dominant could race side-by-side for the cameras?
They get well over 800 with 5.8 liters. Don't see the problem there, but they do regularly turn to 9800-9900 on some tracks. Don't doubt they'd make more with the same restrictions. I hate NASCAR now, but I will continue to enjoy the engines. No matter if they are all the same.djos wrote:(Seriously, can we have tuned port fuel injection please with a standard ECU? The Aussie V8's get 630+HP out of 2 valve, 5.0ltr iron blocks despite being rev limited to 7500rpm)
There was no "bullshit caution" thrown. He sped. Plain and simple.Ray wrote:Yes they did. NASCAR is famous for throwing bullshit cautions and the like to 'spice up' the racing. It's happened before and it'll happen again. I'll believe a driver over NASCAR officials any any of the week. Many of the top drivers have questioned them over calls for years now, and NASCAR always manages to bury something or point the finger somewhere else. They have effectively ruined Mayfields career, and I can't remember they guys name or even care to look it up, but some small team was fined 200,000 damn dollars for a .17 cubic inch oversize on an engine during inspection. They effectively shut that team down for the season. That would NEVER happened to a team with a big name sponsor like Home Depot, Toyota, or the like. I have boycotted NASCAR for the past few weeks after the total destruction of Mayfields reputation, and only watched the Brickyard 400 because JPM was spanking the field. After they called that bullshit speeding penalty I will never watch another one of their races ever again. They've done it before and they'll do it again. It's all about money now and in my opinion they are far worse than the FIA. I don't know where people get off saying they are consistent, because that is so far off base it's laughable.
Believe what you want. NASCAR is wrong more times than they are right, and if you think Mayfield is on drugs you're wrong. Take one look at him and you can tell that he isn't doing meth. Have you seen a habitual meth user? Not to mention that NASCAR has --- up speeding fines before and refused to admit it every time, and they have also refused to use an outside independent lab test for the Mayfield case. That stinks of something wrong. And you can sure fine Red Bull 100 grand, they have the money. Lighter gauge steel for a body can shed a good bit of weight off a car and it could be argued that it could be a safety issue of something coming in the car due to weaker body panels. A stretch though so I'm not agreeing with that statement. .17 of a cubic gains you nothing and they effectively ruined that mans business and his livelyhood. He cannot afford that just a Red Bull can. You have a very skewed view of NASCAR if you think they are fair. Their own competitors don't trust them!Jersey Tom wrote:There was no "bullshit caution" thrown. He sped. Plain and simple.Ray wrote:Yes they did. NASCAR is famous for throwing bullshit cautions and the like to 'spice up' the racing. It's happened before and it'll happen again. I'll believe a driver over NASCAR officials any any of the week. Many of the top drivers have questioned them over calls for years now, and NASCAR always manages to bury something or point the finger somewhere else. They have effectively ruined Mayfields career, and I can't remember they guys name or even care to look it up, but some small team was fined 200,000 damn dollars for a .17 cubic inch oversize on an engine during inspection. They effectively shut that team down for the season. That would NEVER happened to a team with a big name sponsor like Home Depot, Toyota, or the like. I have boycotted NASCAR for the past few weeks after the total destruction of Mayfields reputation, and only watched the Brickyard 400 because JPM was spanking the field. After they called that bullshit speeding penalty I will never watch another one of their races ever again. They've done it before and they'll do it again. It's all about money now and in my opinion they are far worse than the FIA. I don't know where people get off saying they are consistent, because that is so far off base it's laughable.
And yes, there are severe penalties for not passing tech. It has happened to major teams as well as minor ones. I recall Red Bull / Toyota being penalized for not having the right gauge sheet metal on their car. 150 points and $100,000.
As for Mayfield.. he shouldn't have been on drugs. How ---' simple is that?
I don't agree with NASCAR on a lot of things, but I'm also fair.
No but there have been multiple reports that the level that was supposedly in his system would show his was a very heavy habitual user. He was taking prescription medication that are extremely similar on a molecular level to methamphetamine. Their drug testing policy is so ridiculously overdone that you can't even appeal a decision on a false positive! This proves it! If another driver were to test positive can NASCAR guarantee that a fair third party test would be administered? I highly doubt it. Besides, if they are so sure he was on it why not humor him, send a sample to any lab of his liking and then shut him up for good? Very simple, but they refuse to do so.Giblet wrote:People are very good at hiding their addictions for a long time.
not everyone smokes meth or cranks it in. A lot of people like to do a line once in a while and get stupid.
I don't condone it, but I (embarrassingly) tried it a couple of times when I was younger. My GF at the time had no idea I was on it, and she was 'right up close' to me. On more than one occasion.
Not every meth user has an underbite an no gums and weighs 140lbs.
"Dude, I guarantee you," he told crew chief Brian Pattie, "I swear on my children and my wife I was not speeding ... I can't believe they did this to me. Because I swear on anybody, I was not speeding."
According to NASCAR, though, he was. Sprint Cup director John Darby said that NASCAR had eight speed zones set up along the length of the Indianapolis pit road, and that Montoya had tripped not one, but two of them. The No. 42 car was clocked at 60.06 mph in the second zone, and 60.11 mph in the fourth zone -- exceeding not only the 55 mph pit-road speed limit, but also the 5 mph grace buffer that NASCAR gives teams on top of that. Although Montoya said he saw green lights on his dash gauges indicating that he was inside acceptable RPM limits, such setups are team creations that serve as a guideline, and are not linked into NASCAR's timing system.
THANK YOU!! NASCAR is nothing but bullshit gimmicks. They satisfied the big name sponsors in killing JPMs chance of winning and allowing Johnson and Martin up front to battle it out. It's that simple and it's happened many many times in the future. It's no different than bullshit plate racing at the superspeedways. Maximum sponsorship exposure because the cars are all close together and they know idiots will watch for a huge wreck.jon-mullen wrote:I think anyone that watches NASCAR week after week has to accept that they throw cautions to keep the racing close and keep cars on the lead lap. There are definitely cautions for debris where they never show it, they take advantage of guys going into the wall or getting spun to throw cautions. NASCAR will pull any gimmick to keep the racing close: the Lucky Dog, new double-file restarts, competition yellows to evaluate tire wear... Do you really doubt that they'd throw a caution or lie about someone speeding in the pit lane to make sure those last few commercials have the highest possible viewership?
As for Mayfield: He says he's on Claritin and some ADD medicine, BOTH of which are methamphetamine cousins. It's irrelevant anyway as they've ruined his career and despite an injunction allowing him to race, he's chosen not to.
Well then I guess they shouldn't have cheated then. They ruined themselves.A stretch though so I'm not agreeing with that statement. .17 of a cubic gains you nothing and they effectively ruined that mans business and his livelyhood.
