2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[peewon]

Even if the current regulations were continued for another 5 years, I would at best put it at 50% chance for AMR to win multiple races consistently let alone title. Why? Because we just havent seen them do it. Let alone the fact that the new regs are mainly about the PU,. Did people forget that Newey was at RB from 2014-2020 and RB didnt come close to winning a title.

[-wkst-]

Did people forget that Newey was at RB from 2014-2020 and RB didnt come close to winning a title.

Marko made an interesting comment in an interview in Austria, more or less saying that Newey needed Honda in this era to be motivated again.

Without a works partnership he would have never joined AMR, knowing the importance of the PU (and the integration) in 2026.

[peewon]

Did people forget that Newey was at RB from 2014-2020 and RB didnt come close to winning a title.

Marko made an interesting comment in an interview in Austria, more or less saying that Newey needed Honda in this era to be motivated again.

Without a works partnership he would have never joined AMR, knowing the importance of the PU (and the integration) in 2026.

Yes, that probably becomes a pre requisite. We'll see. Honda can also be a hit or miss.

[selvam_e2002]

Did people forget that Newey was at RB from 2014-2020 and RB didnt come close to winning a title.

Marko made an interesting comment in an interview in Austria, more or less saying that Newey needed Honda in this era to be motivated again.

Without a works partnership he would have never joined AMR, knowing the importance of the PU (and the integration) in 2026.

Yes, that probably becomes a pre requisite. We'll see. Honda can also be a hit or miss.

Yes. I don't think it will be huge success for Honda with one team. RB has two team to and Honda did all their R&D with RB sister team then move to RB. Here with AM all need to be done with AMR only... So it could be difficult for Honda and AMR for new regulation starting 2026 with new PU. Finger crossed.

[KimiRai]

Even if the current regulations were continued for another 5 years, I would at best put it at 50% chance for AMR to win multiple races consistently let alone title. Why? Because we just havent seen them do it. Let alone the fact that the new regs are mainly about the PU,. Did people forget that Newey was at RB from 2014-2020 and RB didnt come close to winning a title.

Agree, Newey effect will be less from 2026 due to the increased importance of the engine, no ground effect and tighter chassis rules. No doubt Honda has to do well for AM to succeed.

[-wkst-]

Marko made an interesting comment in an interview in Austria, more or less saying that Newey needed Honda in this era to be motivated again.

Without a works partnership he would have never joined AMR, knowing the importance of the PU (and the integration) in 2026.

Yes, that probably becomes a pre requisite. We'll see. Honda can also be a hit or miss.

Yes. I don't think it will be huge success for Honda with one team. RB has two team to and Honda did all their R&D with RB sister team then move to RB. Here with AM all need to be done with AMR only... So it could be difficult for Honda and AMR for new regulation starting 2026 with new PU. Finger crossed.

Well, a 2nd team can be useful in the early testing days in 2026 to iron out or recognize earlier reliability problems. But the product (PU) itself is developed without a single test mileage in a real car. So it's simply a question if the manufacturer has built a competitive PU in the factory or not.

[diffuser]

Even if the current regulations were continued for another 5 years, I would at best put it at 50% chance for AMR to win multiple races consistently let alone title. Why? Because we just havent seen them do it. Let alone the fact that the new regs are mainly about the PU,. Did people forget that Newey was at RB from 2014-2020 and RB didnt come close to winning a title.

Well considering there are 10 teams, all things being equal, there is a 1 in 10 chance of winning
any 1 race(10% or 0.1). Chances of winning two in a row are (0.1)*(0.1) = .01 or 1%.

[Espresso]

Did people forget that Newey was at RB from 2014-2020 and RB didnt come close to winning a title.

We remember the car outperformed with a weaker engine enabling RBR to win races that shouldn‘t be possible.

[KimiRai]

This could age poorly still but personally I like that Fallows wasn't sacked. He was promoted from Head of Aero in Red Bull to TD in Aston but it seems that apart from the very start that promotion did not go well, the team has been suffering from a lack of leadership, seen in differences of opinion between the track team and the factory, each wanting to do different things... Sometimes it just doesn't work out but that doesn't mean he isn't a great aero guy and could be useful to retain him. James Allison of all people was responsible for the horrendous F14T and later fired by Ferrari but that did not make him useless at all as we know.

It would have been easy for Stroll to make Fallows the scapegoat taking the entire blame for the recent failures and axe him like it is often done in football and in the most political teams of the grid. But instead Stroll chose to reinforce the technical leadership with Newey and Cardile in order to aid (and supervise) Fallows at the top of the pyramid. I think that was the correct path.

[diffuser]

This could age poorly still but personally I like that Fallows wasn't sacked. He was promoted from Head of Aero in Red Bull to TD in Aston but it seems that apart from the very start that promotion did not go well, the team has been suffering from a lack of leadership, seen in differences of opinion between the track team and the factory, each wanting to do different things... Sometimes it just doesn't work out but that doesn't mean he isn't a great aero guy and could be useful to retain him. James Allison of all people was responsible for the horrendous F14T and later fired by Ferrari but that did not make him useless at all as we know.

It would have been easy for Stroll to make Fallows the scapegoat taking the entire blame for the recent failures and axe him like it is often done in football and in the most political teams of the grid. But instead Stroll chose to reinforce the technical leadership with Newey and Cardile in order to aid (and supervise) Fallows at the top of the pyramid. I think that was the correct path.

Most teams have a CTO. Maybe not having one, left a bit too much for Fallows to handle? Cardile, coming out of the TD job at Ferrari, can also serve as mentor.

[-wkst-]

This could age poorly still but personally I like that Fallows wasn't sacked. He was promoted from Head of Aero in Red Bull to TD in Aston but it seems that apart from the very start that promotion did not go well, the team has been suffering from a lack of leadership, seen in differences of opinion between the track team and the factory, each wanting to do different things... Sometimes it just doesn't work out but that doesn't mean he isn't a great aero guy and could be useful to retain him. James Allison of all people was responsible for the horrendous F14T and later fired by Ferrari but that did not make him useless at all as we know.

It would have been easy for Stroll to make Fallows the scapegoat taking the entire blame for the recent failures and axe him like it is often done in football and in the most political teams of the grid. But instead Stroll chose to reinforce the technical leadership with Newey and Cardile in order to aid (and supervise) Fallows at the top of the pyramid. I think that was the correct path.

Most teams have a CTO. Maybe not having one, left a bit too much for Fallows to handle? Cardile, coming out of the TD job at Ferrari, can also serve as mentor.

It's a definition question what the CTO is responsible for.

Mercedes described the role of Allison, becoming their CTO (before switching back), as a move away from the "day-to-day responsibilities and take charge of "long-term strategic planning". Mercedes doesn't have a CTO anymore.

RBR made Wache to their technical director in 2018 for the daily business, with godfather Newey as CTO doing "Newey things". Develop some great ideas for F1, designing sport cars, boots, etc. Doesn't seem that RBR will have a CTO in the future.

McLaren or Ferrari never had so called CTO's.


But I share the opinion of KimiRai, maybe Fallows isn't the great leader of a whole technical team, also RBR promoted Wache and not Fallows in 2018, but for sure an excellent aero guy. But what do we know, maybe Fallows is out once Cardile joins the team later in 2025...

[diffuser]

This could age poorly still but personally I like that Fallows wasn't sacked. He was promoted from Head of Aero in Red Bull to TD in Aston but it seems that apart from the very start that promotion did not go well, the team has been suffering from a lack of leadership, seen in differences of opinion between the track team and the factory, each wanting to do different things... Sometimes it just doesn't work out but that doesn't mean he isn't a great aero guy and could be useful to retain him. James Allison of all people was responsible for the horrendous F14T and later fired by Ferrari but that did not make him useless at all as we know.

It would have been easy for Stroll to make Fallows the scapegoat taking the entire blame for the recent failures and axe him like it is often done in football and in the most political teams of the grid. But instead Stroll chose to reinforce the technical leadership with Newey and Cardile in order to aid (and supervise) Fallows at the top of the pyramid. I think that was the correct path.

Most teams have a CTO. Maybe not having one, left a bit too much for Fallows to handle? Cardile, coming out of the TD job at Ferrari, can also serve as mentor.

It's a definition question what the CTO is responsible for.

Mercedes described the role of Allison, becoming their CTO (before switching back), as a move away from the "day-to-day responsibilities and take charge of "long-term strategic planning". Mercedes doesn't have a CTO anymore.

RBR made Wache to their technical director in 2018 for the daily business, with godfather Newey as CTO doing "Newey things". Develop some great ideas for F1, designing sport cars, boots, etc. Doesn't seem that RBR will have a CTO in the future.

McLaren or Ferrari never had so called CTO's.


But I share the opinion of KimiRai, maybe Fallows isn't the great leader of a whole technical team, also RBR promoted Wache and not Fallows in 2018, but for sure an excellent aero guy. But what do we know, maybe Fallows is out once Cardile joins the team later in 2025...

McLaren have Rob Marshall that is the chief designer. Neil Houldey is Technical Director. But on the McLaren page it states Houldey supports Marshall, which kind of puts Marshall in the CTO position. They also have atleast 3 TDs at McLaren.

[-wkst-]

Marshall is not the CTO of Mclaren, as he works at the same responsibility level as Prodromou (Aero) or Temple (Perfomance).

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/the- ... e-signing/

The situation with Marshall and Houldey. Obviously they promoted Houldey in 2024 nonetheless to TD (Engineering).

In 2023 they announced Marshall as TD (Engineering & Design).


edit:

ALO was in Oviedo the last 10 days and just took off from there to the US, no sim run in the factory. Often he makes a sim run before bigger updates. So let's wait how much they got for Austin.

[Waz]

Getting rid of Fallows would be a mistake. Red Bull tried very hard to hold on to him twice.

Maybe his strength is not in the top leadership, but Aston Martin have taken a clear step forward since he joined.

Stroll is not like Ferrari, always ready to fire someone. He's seen how all the "cast offs" ended up as a super team at Mercedes 10 years ago.

[lio007]

Marshall is not the CTO of Mclaren, as he works at the same responsibility level as Prodromou (Aero) or Temple (Perfomance).

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/the- ... e-signing/

The situation with Marshall and Houldey. Obviously they promoted Houldey in 2024 nonetheless to TD (Engineering).

In 2023 they announced Marshall as TD (Engineering & Design).

And changed again in the meantime: Marshall is now "only" Chief Designer at McLaren. (but offtopic...)