2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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AR3-GP wrote:
20 Oct 2024, 01:12
Sainz has been the better driver all weekend. Leclerc has made a lot of anonymous laps in qualification sessions and was struggling and wasting Sainz's time in the sprint. It is only if you simply like him so much that you can't see the problems that you would blame Sainz for anything.
Leclerc was in no way wasting Sainz’s time during the Sprint, further confirmed by the fact Leclerc matched Sainz’s pace after being passed.

And that’s taking nothing from Sainz who’s having one of his stronger weekends of the season.

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f1316 wrote:
20 Oct 2024, 01:40
I think it would make a certain amount of sense for Ferrari - with two competitive cars - to split the strategy and do a tortoise and hair. Have Sainz push on the mediums for a two stopper and start Charles on the hards, hope he doesn’t lose too much off the line and try the one stop.
Looking at how the Speint went, I think only Mercedes will have to do 2 stops, Top 3 can all go for one. Track is at least 2.5s faster and there's less deg now, the only question is if some teams will have to stop at Lap 17-18 and if anyone will be able to extend all the way to 27-28 which will give huge pace advantage in 2nd Stint. Starting on Hards is also a no-no I think, it's not hard to get overtaken and you lose too much time starring on slower tyres and going long.

scuderiabrandon wrote:
20 Oct 2024, 01:50
I think it is more doable than it's every been. The meds did 19 of abuse with seemingly no deg, some management extends them to 25 laps, that's 31 to do on a hard. Given the hard isn't absolutely horrible tomorrow, I don't expect it to be, I think a lot the deg improvement is down to the re-surface.
Indeed, only Merc struggled with deg this year
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you guys need to get use to this, next year we will see more of this I assume, Lewis will absolutely pass Leclerc if he sees an opening..

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Back to qualifying, the last lap of Sainz was going to be special.

The sectors of the top 4 (double yellow in S3 for the incident of Russell):

NOR 25.051 37.058
VER 24.820 37.073
SAI 24.971 36.984
LEC 25.095 37.091

They all pushed until T16, so two minisectors of S3 are available: NOR, VER and LEC were green and yellow, SAI purple and green.

I think it would have required a mistake of SAI in the last corners not to take pole and it would have been very close with VER.

LEC was on course for a 32.5, maybe.

So the work they did on the upgrades is absolutely incredible.

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DoctorRadio wrote:
20 Oct 2024, 09:05
Back to qualifying, the last lap of Sainz was going to be special.

The sectors of the top 4 (double yellow in S3 for the incident of Russell):

NOR 25.051 37.058
VER 24.820 37.073
SAI 24.971 36.984
LEC 25.095 37.091

They all pushed until T16, so two minisectors of S3 are available: NOR, VER and LEC were green and yellow, SAI purple and green.

I think it would have required a mistake of SAI in the last corners not to take pole and it would have been very close with VER.

LEC was on course for a 32.5, maybe.

So the work they did on the upgrades is absolutely incredible.
NOR's best time has the following sector splits:

NOR 24.992 36.887 30.451

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dialtone wrote:
20 Oct 2024, 09:12
DoctorRadio wrote:
20 Oct 2024, 09:05
Back to qualifying, the last lap of Sainz was going to be special.

The sectors of the top 4 (double yellow in S3 for the incident of Russell):

NOR 25.051 37.058
VER 24.820 37.073
SAI 24.971 36.984
LEC 25.095 37.091

They all pushed until T16, so two minisectors of S3 are available: NOR, VER and LEC were green and yellow, SAI purple and green.

I think it would have required a mistake of SAI in the last corners not to take pole and it would have been very close with VER.

LEC was on course for a 32.5, maybe.

So the work they did on the upgrades is absolutely incredible.
NOR's best time has the following sector splits:

NOR 24.992 36.887 30.451
Correct, I forgot to add his best :) so it would have been close with NOR and VER; the fact that Ferrari was going for pole shows the important improvements they had with the upgrades.

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So my prediction of Leclerc on pole or in P2 based on the sprint qualifying was a bit too optimistic in the end. :)
Both Leclerc and Sainz were on course of improving their times significantly in their second shots though, but Ferrari’s usual luck had a word to say.

Ferrari’s got the best race pace out there. Wether it’ll be enough will depend on the strategy. There’s also the probability of Max and Norris crashing at the start if Norris does not manage to close the door and Max tries to push him out.
I just hope that Leclerc and Sainz go cleanly through T1 considering how aggressive Sainz can be to prove himself in those last months of being a Ferrari driver.

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I can see LEC sending it on the inside here because why not

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I just hope Charles gets past Carlos at the start to make our race with Redbull and McLaren more interesting.

We do have good race pace, but I just don’t see Carlos having the edge in race pace over a full race distance, especially when it comes to pulling off a 1 vs 2 stop.

This is not me being harsh on him, he has just never shown that he can do it before. But we just cannot afford to waste any time with intra team battles

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Sphere3758 wrote:
20 Oct 2024, 13:28
I just hope Charles gets past Carlos at the start to make our race with Redbull and McLaren more interesting.

We do have good race pace, but I just don’t see Carlos having the edge in race pace over a full race distance, especially when it comes to pulling off a 1 vs 2 stop.

This is not me being harsh on him, he has just never shown that he can do it before. But we just cannot afford to waste any time with intra team battles
If Sainz does a two-stopper and Leclerc a one-stopper they'll be out of sequence with each other anyway.

Sainz has been driving very well this weekend. I wouldn't normally bet on him having winning pace, especially over Leclerc, but I don't think we should write him off just yet.

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deadhead wrote:
20 Oct 2024, 13:17
I can see LEC sending it on the inside here because why not
P2 and P4 sides on the grid are very good to start from, Norris got +2 from P4 yesterday
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Vanja #66 wrote:
20 Oct 2024, 13:46
deadhead wrote:
20 Oct 2024, 13:17
I can see LEC sending it on the inside here because why not
P2 and P4 sides on the grid are very good to start from, Norris got +2 from P4 yesterday
Especially if VER sends it into turn 1 and runs Lando wide. The only concern is Carlos going wide at T1 and trying to cut back on the front two, leaving Charles no where to go.

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Fakepivot wrote:
20 Oct 2024, 08:11
you guys need to get use to this, next year we will see more of this I assume, Lewis will absolutely pass Leclerc if he sees an opening..
No no, Lewis is going to be the ultimate #2. There’s no way he’d try to pass his teammate if he ever thought he had a pace advantage. :roll: :lol:

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Fakepivot wrote:
20 Oct 2024, 08:11
you guys need to get use to this, next year we will see more of this I assume, Lewis will absolutely pass Leclerc if he sees an opening..
Like Leclerc hasn’t overtaken his team mates on track, even against team orders :roll:

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Track temp around 47C right now. For reference, start of sprint was 44C.

Both cars starting on mediums.

Hopefully Ferrari take advantage of their better deg today, at least a few of the other front runners will struggle with tires.