2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[Darth-Piekus]

The team definately must go and appear this decision.

[Swed3121]

So should Mclaren from now on use Oscar Piastri as a kamikaze to cause Max Verstappen a DNF or two using holes in the rules?

We’ll if you’re following the Red Bull rule book, yes, they should

[Ben1980]

Good racing though.

But for the fixed red bull to be fighting the struggling Mclaren, not sure that was expected before the race.

Ferrari looked good though. And have done for a few races now.

[mwillems]

Have they deleted ‘leave a cars width of track for the other driver’ out of the rules?
I read an article this season about Max’ racecraft and the stewards had to re- write a rule just for Max Verstappen I think

You need to be further ahead to get that.

That corner is such that if you're on the inside you can easily manage the space before the apex.

But Norris was ahead if Max braked to make the corner (and especially if he leaves enough space).

What Max does is perfect to abuse the rule book. He brakes to stay alongside the other driver, then drives to the edge of the track (or beyond). You can't fight against that. If you go deep on the brakes he just goes deeper and both of you go off track. If you go early on the brakes, he brakes alongside you and blocks you that way.

Only way to beat him is to go to the inside. When that happens he usually lets his brakes off and then claims he was "ahead at the apex" or forced off.

All of this happened in Austria.

But crucially not ahead at the apex. The corner is so long you can just manage the gey wide with ease and ensure the switchback won't work, as long as you are ruthlessly efficient lap after lap.

Agree that the only way to get by was on the inside.

Personally, I thought Max drove brilliantly.

[Swed3121]

The team definately must go and appear this decision.

You forget that the only thing more incompetent, racist and corrupt than the national socialist party is the FIA

[Darth-Piekus]

Why not play as dirty if they want to be dirty? Send Max Verstappen crashing to the protective tyres with your second driver two times and then see how he likes it.

[proteus]

Can the team actually do something about it post race and appeal the decision?

They can appeal, but stupidity of stewards will prevent a good result coming out of it. Stewards decided divebomb defending is legal and it just shows how they are utterly clueless about the situation. I think they want a big crash next time.

[mwillems]

The team definately must go and appear this decision.

You forget that the only thing more incompetent, racist and corrupt than the national socialist party is the FIA

Dude, you're actually worse than Darth Peikus for saltiness.

[Slahinki]

Have they deleted ‘leave a cars width of track for the other driver’ out of the rules?
I read an article this season about Max’ racecraft and the stewards had to re- write a rule just for Max Verstappen I think

You need to be further ahead to get that.

That corner is such that if you're on the inside you can easily manage the space before the apex.

But Norris was ahead if Max braked to make the corner (and especially if he leaves enough space).

What Max does is perfect to abuse the rule book. He brakes to stay alongside the other driver, then drives to the edge of the track (or beyond). You can't fight against that. If you go deep on the brakes he just goes deeper and both of you go off track. If you go early on the brakes, he brakes alongside you and blocks you that way.

Only way to beat him is to go to the inside. When that happens he usually lets his brakes off and then claims he was "ahead at the apex" or forced off.

All of this happened in Austria.

The FIA should have thrown the entire rulebook in Verstappen's face a long, long time ago. But sadly they are too cowardly or too deep in his pocket, or whatever, to do that.

[mwillems]

Can the team actually do something about it post race and appeal the decision?

They can appeal, but stupidity of stewards will prevent a good result coming out of it. Stewards decided divebomb defending is legal and it just shows how they are utterly clueless about the situation. I think they want a big crash next time.

Was a tight race with Max, though, eh!

[CjC]

Have they deleted ‘leave a cars width of track for the other driver’ out of the rules?
I read an article this season about Max’ racecraft and the stewards had to re- write a rule just for Max Verstappen I think

That's what frustrates me the most. Not only does Max not leave space to the other driver, he doesn't even make the corner. And instead of him getting a penalty for illegal defense he benefits because other driver gets a track limits violation and sometimes a penalty for overtaking off the track.

Ridiculous. I know WDC is an almost impossible feat this year but it would be real karma if he got punted off in some of the next races and Lando clinched it.

I wouldn’t have an issue with Verstappens hard racing if he stays within the race track as well.

Maybe I don’t understand the rules properly, I believe something happened with Russell and he got the penalty.

[Darth-Piekus]

Let's not overthink it. Mclaren should try to appeal the decision and reverse the grid order and if they don't manage that simply use Oscar Piastri as a kamikaze to sent Max crashing to the barriers two times. Fight fire with fire.

[FittingMechanics]

Hopefully this reminds Norris on how he needs to race Verstappen.

Why? With the current trajectory he rather needs to look at Leclerc.
Thought it would be P1 to loose for Norris after the summer break. But now it is more likely to loose P2 to Lec than any chance on P1. Think this fish is done unfortunately.

Who cares about P2?

You need to be further ahead to get that.

That corner is such that if you're on the inside you can easily manage the space before the apex.

But Norris was ahead if Max braked to make the corner (and especially if he leaves enough space).

What Max does is perfect to abuse the rule book. He brakes to stay alongside the other driver, then drives to the edge of the track (or beyond). You can't fight against that. If you go deep on the brakes he just goes deeper and both of you go off track. If you go early on the brakes, he brakes alongside you and blocks you that way.

Only way to beat him is to go to the inside. When that happens he usually lets his brakes off and then claims he was "ahead at the apex" or forced off.

All of this happened in Austria.

But crucially not ahead at the apex. The corner is so long you can just manage the gey wide with ease and ensure the switchback won't work, as long as you are ruthlessly efficient lap after lap.

Agree that the only way to get by was on the inside.

Personally, I thought Max drove brilliantly.

Agreed. Max drives brilliantly but in my opinion, over the limit of what should be allowed. To me that is not clean racing and it will result in incidents. Next time someone will not leave the track or will divebomb onto the inside. Do we want the sport to turn into who is more willing to take damage or risk?

[basti313]

You need to be further ahead to get that.

That corner is such that if you're on the inside you can easily manage the space before the apex.

But Norris was ahead if Max braked to make the corner (and especially if he leaves enough space).

What Max does is perfect to abuse the rule book. He brakes to stay alongside the other driver, then drives to the edge of the track (or beyond). You can't fight against that. If you go deep on the brakes he just goes deeper and both of you go off track. If you go early on the brakes, he brakes alongside you and blocks you that way.

Only way to beat him is to go to the inside. When that happens he usually lets his brakes off and then claims he was "ahead at the apex" or forced off.

All of this happened in Austria.

But crucially not ahead at the apex. The corner is so long you can just manage the gey wide with ease and ensure the switchback won't work, as long as you are ruthlessly efficient lap after lap.

Agree that the only way to get by was on the inside.

Personally, I thought Max drove brilliantly.

I have to disagree on the "only way". Lando needs to stop to be a Perez and just execute. The "only way" to get by was in the first laps when he reached DRS. At this point Max was already in 100% defensive mode with a 90% charged battery every time they reached the long straight, so he had low pace on the rest of the track just from deployment.
It took how many laps? 4 or 5 until the first time he was sub 0.5sec at the DRS point, until then his tires were cooking for the attempt. No matter if inside or outside, you do not outbreak Verstappen with cooking tires.

[JRindt]

"We were just fighting, he got me in 12 outside the track limits when we both ran wide but I think that was his last strike with track limits," says Verstappen.

Verstappen himself admits that both of them went wide and thinks that the penalty was for track limits. Absolute joke of a decision by stewards.