2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[lh13]

Has anyone got a anthony Davison interview?

As if it matters what Anthony breaks down and what he says. With rules how they are stated right now, it was a deserved penalty for Lando, they can't even protest that. Lando just shouldn't have gone past off-track, otherwise it would have been a penalty for Max.

Some amazing rule though, where the driver being attacked can just divebomb into the inside, going off-track himself, but blocking the overtake in the process.
A very popular move amongst children and ragers in the F1 game lobbies, but apparently a totally viable defense strategy at the pinnacle of motorsport as well

i think the penalty would have been fair if Max stayed inside the track limits white lines as that would have really meant Lando overtook outside the track, but in reality that wasn't the case here hence it should have left as an racing incident as Max himself was technically outside track limits line and the rule for overtaking outside the track would not have applied if stewards followed the actual wording.

Overtaking off the track is legal if the defending driver is over the white line? Genuine question.

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[Slahinki]

I didn't read the full race discussion, but if the judges were consistent, Max should have been given a 5 second penalty for overtaking on the first lap of the first corner. He went off track with four wheels and squeezed Lando, but he didn't give up his position. Later in the race, Max went off track when a Ferrari was nearby, and there Max gained an advantage and stayed ahead of the Ferrari. I think for these two points alone, a 10 second penalty should be given to Max.

The main problems with current F1 are the inconsistency of the judges' decisions and the lack of balls to ban Max's brazen antics, which he constantly gets away with. This is not racing, it's a farce.

Mentally, Lando has already beaten Max twice. Mentally, Max doesn't know how to lose. I'm sure karma will come back in full for both Max and Red Bull.

You don't have to comment on my message, I'm not going to enter into further polemics. I see whose side is right, and it's not on the side of the soda team.

Entirely agreed.

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Oscar had a free pit stop? Why didn't we use it for the fastest lap?

Because he was getting closer to Max and could have helped out for the 5 seconds.

Problem was, Oscar was underwhelming. His performance on hards was dissapointing.

I guess they also wanted to get FL with Norris, who was a couple of tenths off only in the end.

Although, in the case he got it, Piastri could have slowed down, of course.

[mwillems]

Ferrari are a very real threat to McLaren as well

They have been a threat fir a while, since they upgraded. Won Monza, fighting in Baku, shoukd have been fighting in Singapore but messed up in qualifying.

Yep, hence why they are only 48? points behind.
I wasn’t concerned about them so much when McLaren were fighting them/ sealing wins off them but this weekend McLaren couldn’t match them as much… Oscar was particularly concerning (not that I’m hating on him) but he was never going to be better than P5 all weekend, I know he didn’t have the new wing but P5s aren’t going to win the WCC if Ferrari are scoring double podiums all the way to Abu Dhabi now.

Houldey needs to get those upgrades trackside as soon as now

Our upgrades will arrive and I doubt we'll need to worry too much about Ferrari.

Oscar was off the pace today, not a great drive. Lando was able to show that the car had the pace to be second fastest and to possibly have caught up with Sainz, if not Leclerc, if there wasn't a pesky Dutchman in the way.

[FittingMechanics]

It was his corner, it wasn't even close, he was half a car length ahead at the apex and owned the line.

Max is just brilliant, that's all that happened today. The better driver won.

But he was "half a car length ahead" because he let his brakes off. Anyone can be ahead at the apex if they don't need to make the corner. Imagine if Norris divebombs from far and doesn't brake well enough and forces both of them to go wide. Would that be Lando's corner and Verstappen needs to yield? Surely not.

Max is able to utilize this method when defending. He senses that the other driver is close to taking the corner first, instead of braking and giving the other driver space on the outside as it would be required, Max brakes less so that he gets to the apex first and then forces the other driver off. It doesn't really matter if Max makes the corner or not (at least so far) because a) he is first at the apex because he braked less b) other driver goes off as well.

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They have been a threat fir a while, since they upgraded. Won Monza, fighting in Baku, shoukd have been fighting in Singapore but messed up in qualifying.

Yep, hence why they are only 48? points behind.
I wasn’t concerned about them so much when McLaren were fighting them/ sealing wins off them but this weekend McLaren couldn’t match them as much… Oscar was particularly concerning (not that I’m hating on him) but he was never going to be better than P5 all weekend, I know he didn’t have the new wing but P5s aren’t going to win the WCC if Ferrari are scoring double podiums all the way to Abu Dhabi now.

Houldey needs to get those upgrades trackside as soon as now

Our upgrades will arrive and I doubt we'll need to worry too much about Ferrari.

Oscar was off the pace today, not a great drive. Lando was able to show that the car had the pace to be second fastest and to possibly have caught up with Sainz, if not Leclerc, if there wasn't a pesky Dutchman in the way.

Next race is classic race with 3 practice sessions, I believe they must bring the updates there os they have plenty of time to evaluate them, this weekend we messed up the setup on FP1 and that was it.

[mwillems]

It was his corner, it wasn't even close, he was half a car length ahead at the apex and owned the line.

Max is just brilliant, that's all that happened today. The better driver won.

But he was "half a car length ahead" because he let his brakes off. Anyone can be ahead at the apex if they don't need to make the corner. Imagine if Norris divebombs from far and doesn't brake well enough and forces both of them to go wide. Would that be Lando's corner and Verstappen needs to yield? Surely not.

Max is able to utilize this method when defending. He senses that the other driver is close to taking the corner first, instead of braking and giving the other driver space on the outside as it would be required, Max brakes less so that he gets to the apex first and then forces the other driver off. It doesn't really matter if Max makes the corner or not (at least so far) because a) he is first at the apex because he braked less b) other driver goes off as well.

Yep, poor rules, they allow you to go off when you are fighting and not get a track limits.

Totally agree with the fact the rules have the change (Although there would still be grey areas), but as they stand, the job of the driver is to use those rules to their advantage and Max does that better time and again, whilst sometimes going over the limit. Norris doesn't seem to drive in that same way. But you can drive on the edge and be in the rules, something Hamilton would do.

[FittingMechanics]

No fs given by Toto.

Max will get the WDC but, with the fast Ferrari and hopefully fast Mclaren it will be a limp to a title.

What did Toto say?

[CjC]

Least it’s only a week till the next race to find out.
I’ll be interested to see if McLaren bring any upgrades to Mexico

[cliffgamerz]

As if it matters what Anthony breaks down and what he says. With rules how they are stated right now, it was a deserved penalty for Lando, they can't even protest that. Lando just shouldn't have gone past off-track, otherwise it would have been a penalty for Max.

Some amazing rule though, where the driver being attacked can just divebomb into the inside, going off-track himself, but blocking the overtake in the process.
A very popular move amongst children and ragers in the F1 game lobbies, but apparently a totally viable defense strategy at the pinnacle of motorsport as well

i think the penalty would have been fair if Max stayed inside the track limits white lines as that would have really meant Lando overtook outside the track, but in reality that wasn't the case here hence it should have left as an racing incident as Max himself was technically outside track limits line and the rule for overtaking outside the track would not have applied if stewards followed the actual wording.

Overtaking off the track is legal if the defending driver is over the white line? Genuine question.

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Depends on who is the defending driver in this case, if you consider Lando as the defending driver in this incident (but he wasn't as he was attacking and Max was defending since he reached apex first and ahead of Lando) yes as Max himself couldn't keep his car inside white lines so both were outside track limits hence it's fair as Lando was pushed off from track, as i said earlier if Max kept his car on the line it would have been a fair penalty for Lando.

[FittingMechanics]

Yep, poor rules, they allow you to go off when you are fighting and not get a track limits.

Totally agree with the fact the rules have the change (Although there would still be grey areas), but as they stand, the job of the driver is to use those rules to their advantage and Max does that better time and again, whilst sometimes going over the limit.

This is why I think it will lead to accidents. Norris will surely next time just dive to the inside and invite the crash. That is what he should have been doing.

Other option is to know that you have to overtake on the outside, instead of doing the switchback just overtake off the track and get 5 seconds. Immediately come onto the radio and complain that you were forced off. This is probably much less riskier than diving to the inside. If Lando did that on one of the earlier laps, he would have got a penalty but make the gap. This is what Verstappen does sometimes.

[mwillems]

Yep, hence why they are only 48? points behind.
I wasn’t concerned about them so much when McLaren were fighting them/ sealing wins off them but this weekend McLaren couldn’t match them as much… Oscar was particularly concerning (not that I’m hating on him) but he was never going to be better than P5 all weekend, I know he didn’t have the new wing but P5s aren’t going to win the WCC if Ferrari are scoring double podiums all the way to Abu Dhabi now.

Houldey needs to get those upgrades trackside as soon as now

Our upgrades will arrive and I doubt we'll need to worry too much about Ferrari.

Oscar was off the pace today, not a great drive. Lando was able to show that the car had the pace to be second fastest and to possibly have caught up with Sainz, if not Leclerc, if there wasn't a pesky Dutchman in the way.

Next race is classic race with 3 practice sessions, I believe they must bring the updates there os they have plenty of time to evaluate them, this weekend we messed up the setup on FP1 and that was it.

We did. But I thought we brought it back well for Qualifying and the race. Car was very competitive today once the first half of the Meds stint was gone. After that, car went from strength to strength but unfortunately the T1 incident cost us a lot.

[Watto]

No fs given by Toto.

Max will get the WDC but, with the fast Ferrari and hopefully fast Mclaren it will be a limp to a title.

What did Toto say?

Just basically about some bias in decisions with....certain...people...

[mwillems]

Yep, poor rules, they allow you to go off when you are fighting and not get a track limits.

Totally agree with the fact the rules have the change (Although there would still be grey areas), but as they stand, the job of the driver is to use those rules to their advantage and Max does that better time and again, whilst sometimes going over the limit.

This is why I think it will lead to accidents. Norris will surely next time just dive to the inside and invite the crash. That is what he should have been doing.

Other option is to know that you have to overtake on the outside, instead of doing the switchback just overtake off the track and get 5 seconds. Immediately come onto the radio and complain that you were forced off. This is probably much less riskier than diving to the inside. If Lando did that on one of the earlier laps, he would have got a penalty but make the gap. This is what Verstappen does sometimes.

It was a shame not to see Lando try to be aggressive very tight on the inside. Felt like he didn't vary his attack at all and give too much for Verstappen to deal with mentally.

[FittingMechanics]

No fs given by Toto.

Max will get the WDC but, with the fast Ferrari and hopefully fast Mclaren it will be a limp to a title.

What did Toto say?

Just basically about some bias in decisions with....certain...people...

I really don't think it is bias. Max is just using the gray areas of the rulebook to his advantage.

As I've written already, today he didn't make the corner, this was the reason he was still ahead at the apex. Norris was ahead before that but Norris braked to make the corner, Max on the inside should be braking earlier because the angle is worse for him yet he brakes later, forcing Norris off and not even making the corner. This is effectively a defensive divebomb without making the corner. It should not be allowed.