Renault race-fixing at Singapore 2008

[Conceptual]

Since Flav has a few drivers under contract, and the WMSC has stated that any driver under his management will not get their superlicense renewed, can/will Flav make them give up their SL until the end of their contract?

Other than Webber, who is under Flavio's management? Heikki? Rosberg?

Will he make the teams buy out their drivers contracts just to keep them on for next year?

This may just be a bigger key to the silly season than Mr. Alonso's fickle whim...

Anyone?

[Giblet]

Since Flav has a few drivers under contract, and the WMSC has stated that any driver under his management will not get their superlicense renewed, can/will Flav make them give up their SL until the end of their contract?

Other than Webber, who is under Flavio's management? Heikki? Rosberg?

Will he make the teams buy out their drivers contracts just to keep them on for next year?

This may just be a bigger key to the silly season than Mr. Alonso's fickle whim...

Anyone?

There are very few contracts in existence that don't have a stipulation for when one has a serious breach of ethics. But Flavio has always kept his contracts super tight.

I'm pretty sure that as soon as someone does something that is a breach of ethics, that it doesn't matter what is in the contract. Webber and Kovi should have no trouble coming out of the contract in a way that favours them financially and for the future of securing their licenses.

[ISLAMATRON]

Webbo is cool for next year, but Kovi is in a fight for his career... I wonder what this means for Grosjean at Renault... Di grassi never had much of a chance any way.

[xpensive]

What bothers me the most, is how someone can be both employer an manager for one or more drivers? First you negotiate the guy's salary, then pocket 20% of that for yourself, how about that?

How could Renault accept that basically all of the team's drivers were contracted to the principal of the same team?

Same thing with Craig Pollock and Jaques Villeneuve, ripping BAT off big time. --- and corruption, everywhere you look.

[SZ]

I'm inclined to agree in principle with what SZ and others have opined, that this whole fiasco was just a means for Max to get rid of Flav. Sure, it's conjecture, but the indirect evidence is there to support it.

SZ is now staying out of this thread - so far as I'm concerned matters have turned out exactly as predicted in a manner consistent with my earlier reasoning. The hysterical reactions of many of you aren't just only as I suggested they'd be, they're precisely as the FIA intended.

Proof above all that Max is excellent at his job - guarding the FIA's interests. He'll be very hard to replace.

[i70q7m7ghw]

I'm inclined to agree in principle with what SZ and others have opined, that this whole fiasco was just a means for Max to get rid of Flav. Sure, it's conjecture, but the indirect evidence is there to support it.

SZ is now staying out of this thread - so far as I'm concerned matters have turned out exactly as predicted in a manner consistent with my earlier reasoning. The hysterical reactions of many of you aren't just only as I suggested they'd be, they're precisely as the FIA intended.

Proof above all that Max is excellent at his job - guarding the FIA's interests. He'll be very hard to replace.

Yes you're right, it will be very hard to replace him with another ****

Should be too hard to find someone who can do the job properly though

[lewis all the way]

someone mentioned earlier about if flav gets charged with something he would also be banned from his qpr football club?

could someone please elaberate on this.

now hes been banned for life from any fia guided sporting events will his club suffer too?

What do the FIA have to do with FIFA?



(apart from them both being corrupt as f**k... run by a bunch of inept fat-cat sh!theads and incapable of making even the most basic of decisions properly)

read this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 260661.stm

he could end up loosing everything.

fia/ fifa have nothing to do with each other, but the fia judgment forces fifa to investigate under there own rules.

[Ted68]

Well good or bad, Briatore is gone. Onto his replacement.

Both Alain Prost and David Richards have talked to Renault and now Prost is reported to be close to a deal. My question is this: When each man ran his own team, didn't Prost fail while Richards was successful? David must have said 'No.'

[timbo]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78785

It's interesting that Gracia is Todt's supposed vice-president. I wonder when Max would go, is it possible that ban would be retracted?

[tarzoon]

Mosley says that Renault shouldn't be punished for Flav's mistakes, and the suspension ban was already too harsh. That is to say that a company hires someone to do a job, and if f*cks up - wether on self or company interest - is sent off and case closed.

Maybe McMerc should have done the same thing: it's cheaper to fire a few dozen than paying 100 million.

After that judgement, I think I'll open my bank. I hire someone to cheat on people and steal their money, sack them if a scandal comes up and everyone's laughing. This is an even better plan than creating an hedge fund! Anyone interested?

[siskue2005]

wrong!!! Because the 2 cars were coming essentially together (Kimi was waitng behind), Ferrari decided to change the lights manually by an operator and not the automatic system they had. The guy who operated the system made a mistake. If NPjr did not crash, the pit-spot would have been OK and Massa probably WDC.

IS that why they had pit stop problems earlier in the year with the light system?

It was just not in Massa's destiny to be the 08 WDC.

they never had problems with the light system before since Monza 2007!?
it was Kimi who took off early in Valencia 2008
and even in Singapore it was the stupid chief mechanic who pressed the Green button early

[Chaparral]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78785

It's interesting that Gracia is Todt's supposed vice-president. I wonder when Max would go, is it possible that ban would be retracted?

Timbo thats a very good asumption

[gcdugas]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78785

It's interesting that Gracia is Todt's supposed vice-president. I wonder when Max would go, is it possible that ban would be retracted?

My guess is that it would at least require a full WMSC to retract it. A new FIA president couldn't do it unilaterally and alone.

[gcdugas]

Well good or bad, Briatore is gone. Onto his replacement.

Both Alain Prost and David Richards have talked to Renault and now Prost is reported to be close to a deal. My question is this: When each man ran his own team, didn't Prost fail while Richards was successful? David must have said 'No.'

Richards is now a CEO of a full on auto company. Getting back into F1 would be a step backwards.

[timbo]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78785

It's interesting that Gracia is Todt's supposed vice-president. I wonder when Max would go, is it possible that ban would be retracted?

My guess is that it would at least require a full WMSC to retract it. A new FIA president couldn't do it unilaterally and alone.

Of course, but there must be a correlation between president's intentions and WMSC decisions? But... wait a second... does former FIA president have a seat in WMSC?