2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[Cs98]

Unfortunately, the problem is your last sentence. The team has no understanding of this GE regulation, and have proven to be unable to deliver a championship winning car.

Also, you conveniently left out the huge chunks of good luck that Russell has received, with the inherited win in Austria, and inherited podium in Baku.

They've steadily improved since 2022, they could find something yet.

We must be watching a different sport. They’ve gone backwards. Delusional to think otherwise.

The car has at times this year looked genuinely good. It's just that McLaren and Ferrari have taken huge steps in race pace whereas Merc and RB have taken smaller steps. The car has way less fundamental problems than it did in 2022 and 2023. If they just unlock a bit more performance and optimise it more for the races they will be competitive.

[Quantum]

We must be watching a different sport. They’ve gone backwards. Delusional to think otherwise.

Points in 2022 - 515, points in 2024 - 382 with 2 sprints more and 1 race less. Numbers are indisputable really...

Elliott's W14 had 392 points After 21 rounds.

Comparing 2023 to 2024.

McLaren 593 vs 284. +309 points (+3 positions higher)
Ferrari 557 vs 388. +200 points (+2)
Red Bull 544 vs 822. -278 points (-2)
Mercedes 382 vs 392. -10 points (-2)
Aston 86 vs 273. -187 points (=)
Alpine 49 vs 120. -71 points (=)
Haas 46 vs 12. +34 points (+3)
RB 44 vs 21. +23 points (=)
Williams 17 vs 28. -11 points (-2)
Sauber 0 vs 16. -16 points (-1).


Only 3 teams improved positionally.
Only 4 teams improved in terms of points.

At this point, even a hater could work out where the biggest concerns are.

https://www.total-motorsport.com/f1-dri ... rand-prix/

[venkyhere]

We must be watching a different sport. They’ve gone backwards. Delusional to think otherwise.

Points in 2022 - 515, points in 2024 - 382 with 2 sprints more and 1 race less. Numbers are indisputable really...

Exactly, hence my post.

Need to consider the context, before comparing raw data by itself.

2022 :
- McLaren absent from competitive positions,
- Ferrari roughly on par with Mercedes after the early TD change to lift floor edges/floors
- midfielder teams were way far off the leading pack.

2024 :
- all of the above helping situations absent

[cplchanb]

We must be watching a different sport. They’ve gone backwards. Delusional to think otherwise.

Points in 2022 - 515, points in 2024 - 382 with 2 sprints more and 1 race less. Numbers are indisputable really...

Elliott's W14 had 392 points After 21 rounds.

Comparing 2023 to 2024.

McLaren 593 vs 284. +309 points (+3 positions higher)
Ferrari 557 vs 388. +200 points (+2)
Red Bull 544 vs 822. -278 points (-2)
Mercedes 382 vs 392. -10 points (-2)
Aston 86 vs 273. -187 points (=)
Alpine 49 vs 120. -71 points (=)
Haas 46 vs 12. +34 points (+3)
RB 44 vs 21. +23 points (=)
Williams 17 vs 28. -11 points (-2)
Sauber 0 vs 16. -16 points (-1).


Only 3 teams improved positionally.
Only 4 teams improved in terms of points.

At this point, even a hater could work out where the biggest concerns are.

https://www.total-motorsport.com/f1-dri ... rand-prix/

just as an asterisk, Belgium made the difference here. had russel not been dqd it wouldve been the more successful car.

[AR3-GP]

Points in 2022 - 515, points in 2024 - 382 with 2 sprints more and 1 race less. Numbers are indisputable really...

Elliott's W14 had 392 points After 21 rounds.

Comparing 2023 to 2024.

McLaren 593 vs 284. +309 points (+3 positions higher)
Ferrari 557 vs 388. +200 points (+2)
Red Bull 544 vs 822. -278 points (-2)
Mercedes 382 vs 392. -10 points (-2)
Aston 86 vs 273. -187 points (=)
Alpine 49 vs 120. -71 points (=)
Haas 46 vs 12. +34 points (+3)
RB 44 vs 21. +23 points (=)
Williams 17 vs 28. -11 points (-2)
Sauber 0 vs 16. -16 points (-1).


Only 3 teams improved positionally.
Only 4 teams improved in terms of points.

At this point, even a hater could work out where the biggest concerns are.

https://www.total-motorsport.com/f1-dri ... rand-prix/

just as an asterisk, Belgium made the difference here. had russel not been dqd it wouldve been the more successful car.

Hamilton's DSQ in COTA last year?

[cplchanb]

Elliott's W14 had 392 points After 21 rounds.

Comparing 2023 to 2024.

McLaren 593 vs 284. +309 points (+3 positions higher)
Ferrari 557 vs 388. +200 points (+2)
Red Bull 544 vs 822. -278 points (-2)
Mercedes 382 vs 392. -10 points (-2)
Aston 86 vs 273. -187 points (=)
Alpine 49 vs 120. -71 points (=)
Haas 46 vs 12. +34 points (+3)
RB 44 vs 21. +23 points (=)
Williams 17 vs 28. -11 points (-2)
Sauber 0 vs 16. -16 points (-1).


Only 3 teams improved positionally.
Only 4 teams improved in terms of points.

At this point, even a hater could work out where the biggest concerns are.

https://www.total-motorsport.com/f1-dri ... rand-prix/

just as an asterisk, Belgium made the difference here. had russel not been dqd it wouldve been the more successful car.

Hamilton's DSQ in COTA last year?

regardless the austria to hungary stretch was much more successful than than any year of the GE era since they won 3 races with 2 on merit and they were generally competitive on a consistent basis. no idea what happened from the summer break onwards to drop their form. everyone thought they had turned a leaf and could only go up from there. it seems like theyre now back to square 1.

[PlatinumZealot]

Don't know if it was posted already but look at this!!

https://x.com/hamiltonprop_/status/1853321509168697448

[dialtone]

Don't know if it was posted already but look at this!!

https://x.com/hamiltonprop_/status/1853321509168697448

Anybody thinking Hamilton has unlearned to drive 3 years after 2021 doesn't know what they are talking about.

[PlatinumZealot]

Those are two totally different cars!!

[OverheatedTurbo]

Don't know if it was posted already but look at this!!

https://x.com/hamiltonprop_/status/1853321509168697448

Wow. What are they doing with his car?

[Rodak]

Don't know if it was posted already but look at this!!

https://x.com/hamiltonprop_/status/1853321509168697448

Hamilton is closely following several cars and in dirty air and losing downforce; Russell has no one in front of him. Apples and oranges......

[Lasssept]

Don't know if it was posted already but look at this!!

https://x.com/hamiltonprop_/status/1853321509168697448

Wet track vs "dry" track.

[Rodak]

Don't know if it was posted already but look at this!!

https://x.com/hamiltonprop_/status/1853321509168697448

Wet track vs "dry" track.

Yep. Missed that (but shouldn't have).

[Dunlay]

Don't know if it was posted already but look at this!!

https://x.com/hamiltonprop_/status/1853321509168697448

Wow. What are they doing with his car?

I guess they are asking him to drive in wet and the George to drive in dry?

Whoever made that video must be extremely naive.

[venkyhere]

Don't know if it was posted already but look at this!!

https://x.com/hamiltonprop_/status/1853321509168697448

I've never seen a more facetious side-by-side-comparo video.
A classic case of confirmation bias - selecting the footage to suit the preconceived conclusion.