2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[KimiRai]

Not sure if it was already mentioned but according to Alonso they also had a brake issue. That probably caused Lance's spin into the wall. Many people have attacked Lance but he may have had no blame there, similar to Leclerc last year. At least for the spin, as beaching it on the gravel later was probably his fault.

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Not sure if it was already mentioned but according to Alonso they also had a brake issue. That probably caused Lance's spin into the wall. Many people have attacked Lance but he may have had no blame there, similar to Leclerc last year. At least for the spin, as beaching it on the gravel later was probably his fault.

Probably his fault the gravel? I mean lol

[Nikosar]

Mike Krack also confirmed that they had break issues. The break issue caused Stroll to go out of the track but ending after in the gravel was his fault…

Krack also admits more patience is required while the car’s current performance remains challenging.

We need a huge amount of patience. The big preoccupation is that Alonso is open to win the title as a manager at Aston and not as driver. Very sad to hear after the years pushing… Oremos

[diffuser]

Looks like he used Austin floor all weekend.

Disagree.

Just before the race, Aston Martin had changed the specification of the floor on the cars, returning to the one rejected in Austin.[...]

After the free practice sessions [note: Sprint was basically a second free practice session], due to the excessive bouncing and the conditions of the asphalt, in view of the sprint it was decided to take a step back, returning once again to the most used specification throughout the year as it was the one that guaranteed the best indications, namely the Suzuka surface, which generates less rebounds and guarantees more confidence to the drivers. However, the two accidents in qualifying on Sunday morning pushed Aston Martin to change the surface again on both cars, returning precisely to the Austin specification.

“After this morning, we had to go back to a less performing package on the car. So the race was a bit slower in terms of pace on our side and then we had a problem with the brakes,” Alonso said after the race.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-al ... /10670802/

Yeah, I had already read that,wouldn't be the first time a reputable site got things wrong and I found pictures on Motorsport. It wouldn't be the first time they dated pictures incorrectly too.

Brazil Looks like they ran Austin floor
Sprint Quali

Sprint Race

Quali

Race

[Rikrikrik]

Looks like he used Austin floor all weekend.

Disagree.

Just before the race, Aston Martin had changed the specification of the floor on the cars, returning to the one rejected in Austin.[...]

After the free practice sessions [note: Sprint was basically a second free practice session], due to the excessive bouncing and the conditions of the asphalt, in view of the sprint it was decided to take a step back, returning once again to the most used specification throughout the year as it was the one that guaranteed the best indications, namely the Suzuka surface, which generates less rebounds and guarantees more confidence to the drivers. However, the two accidents in qualifying on Sunday morning pushed Aston Martin to change the surface again on both cars, returning precisely to the Austin specification.

“After this morning, we had to go back to a less performing package on the car. So the race was a bit slower in terms of pace on our side and then we had a problem with the brakes,” Alonso said after the race.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-al ... /10670802/

Yeah, I had already read that,wouldn't be the first time a reputable site got things wrong and I found pictures on Motorsport. It wouldn't be the first time they dated pictures incorrectly too.

Brazil Looks like they ran Austin floor
Sprint Quali
https://cdn-7.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -amr2.webp
Sprint Race
https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... tin-a.webp
Quali
https://cdn-7.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -amr2.webp
Race
https://cdn-7.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... tin-a.webp

The most scare thing is how huge is the downgrade proposing by the Austin's package, that completely made AMR24 absolute impossible to drive.I think was the most terrible upgrades they even brought. Why they didn change the front suspension if this is the main problem? what a motive to not change?

[Sherrinford]

Looks like he used Austin floor all weekend.

Disagree.

Just before the race, Aston Martin had changed the specification of the floor on the cars, returning to the one rejected in Austin.[...]

After the free practice sessions [note: Sprint was basically a second free practice session], due to the excessive bouncing and the conditions of the asphalt, in view of the sprint it was decided to take a step back, returning once again to the most used specification throughout the year as it was the one that guaranteed the best indications, namely the Suzuka surface, which generates less rebounds and guarantees more confidence to the drivers. However, the two accidents in qualifying on Sunday morning pushed Aston Martin to change the surface again on both cars, returning precisely to the Austin specification.

“After this morning, we had to go back to a less performing package on the car. So the race was a bit slower in terms of pace on our side and then we had a problem with the brakes,” Alonso said after the race.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-al ... /10670802/

Yeah, I had already read that,wouldn't be the first time a reputable site got things wrong and I found pictures on Motorsport. It wouldn't be the first time they dated pictures incorrectly too.

Brazil Looks like they ran Austin floor
Sprint Quali
https://cdn-7.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -amr2.webp
Sprint Race
https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... tin-a.webp
Quali
https://cdn-7.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -amr2.webp
Race
https://cdn-7.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... tin-a.webp

Both the sprint ones and the ones you sent exactly the same two identical photos. In my opinion they used Suzuka in fp1 and it was fine, since the sprint wasn't very interesting they did two test sessions in sprint quali and sprint race, seeing the results they returned again to Suzuka and in fact Alonso in quali he was flying, after the damage they were forced to return to Austin. This is what I think and what I have deduced, I am ready to be proven wrong

[diffuser]

Disagree.




https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-al ... /10670802/

Yeah, I had already read that,wouldn't be the first time a reputable site got things wrong and I found pictures on Motorsport. It wouldn't be the first time they dated pictures incorrectly too.

Brazil Looks like they ran Austin floor
Sprint Quali
https://cdn-7.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -amr2.webp
Sprint Race
https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... tin-a.webp
Quali
https://cdn-7.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -amr2.webp
Race
https://cdn-7.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... tin-a.webp

The most scare thing is how huge is the downgrade proposing by the Austin's package, that completely made AMR24 absolute impossible to drive.I think was the most terrible upgrades they even brought. Why they didn change the front suspension if this is the main problem? what a motive to not change?

I watched Piastri's onboard. It was pretty bumpy too. It's not the car it's the track.

[AR3-GP]

I think that there is a connection between the Mercedes rear suspension and the problems that both teams have. Both Alonso and Hamilton complained about back pain this weekend. Is this not suspicious to you?

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

I think that there is a connection between the Mercedes rear suspension and the problems that both teams have. Both Alonso and Hamilton complained about back pain this weekend. Is this not suspicious to you?

Not suspicious at all,I mean they could lift the floor by few mm if they would have better working floor.l,I mean more efficient as Mercedes.

[Waz]

I think that there is a connection between the Mercedes rear suspension and the problems that both teams have. Both Alonso and Hamilton complained about back pain this weekend. Is this not suspicious to you?

This was already brought up at the start of the season. Fallows wasn't happy with the suspension, which I remember was very late in development because Mercedes were struggling to get it to work on the test rig.

They only solved the problems just before testing started.

What isn't clear is whether Aston Martin are using it as supplied or have made any changes to it.

[Espresso]

Just saw this about Otmar. Big respect for him!

[KimiRai]

I think that there is a connection between the Mercedes rear suspension and the problems that both teams have. Both Alonso and Hamilton complained about back pain this weekend. Is this not suspicious to you?

Or the wind tunnel?

Aston Martin’s is not a simple correlation problem. On the contrary, in scenarios replicable in the wind tunnel and CFD, the updates return expected load, efficiency and balance values. The difficulties arise from those phenomena that cannot be analysed except on the track, such as transients, the transition between the various phases of the curve or the impact between the floor and the ground. “We found that for the most part [the updates] behave as we expect, although sometimes there are slightly underestimated consequences, or others that we are aware of, but which have a heavier impact on performance”, comments Dan Fallows to Racecar Engineering.

https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-ana ... ere-aperto

[diffuser]

I think that there is a connection between the Mercedes rear suspension and the problems that both teams have. Both Alonso and Hamilton complained about back pain this weekend. Is this not suspicious to you?

Or the wind tunnel.

Aston Martin’s is not a simple correlation problem. On the contrary, in scenarios replicable in the wind tunnel and CFD, the updates return expected load, efficiency and balance values. The difficulties arise from those phenomena that cannot be analysed except on the track, such as transients, the transition between the various phases of the curve or the impact between the floor and the ground. “We found that for the most part [the updates] behave as we expect, although sometimes there are slightly underestimated consequences, or others that we are aware of, but which have a heavier impact on performance”, comments Dan Fallows to Racecar Engineering.

https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-ana ... ere-aperto

Mercedes is quicker with the same WT after all so there is no room for excuses, but it could be a factor. From what Ive read, AM's new wind tunnel should have some innovations in it concerning the floor.

That also brings to me another question. In that case, why doesn't Mercedes improve it? McLaren modernized their old one, Ferrari updated theirs during the summer break too, even Red Bull is building a completely new one, Aston too of course. If all of those teams have done it/are doing so it suggests there is a clear benefit.

Interesting ...on that link ...
"On some occasions the team also comes to violate the closed park regime, taking advantage of the races to conduct experiments with the heights from the ground and with the stiffness of the suspensions, with the aim of finding better conditions to make the bottom work".

Wonder if that's what they did for the race and resulted in Alonso's back pain ? Although my understanding of parc fermé rules is that they would have had to start from the back, which they clearly didn't do. Oh but I think some parc fermé rules are waived for wet races ...

Found this ...
They can change spec if they can prove shortages but they're not allowed to adjust the setup for the different spec part.

[TyreSlip]

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/aston ... /10671383/

TLDR: After qualifying, the team didn't have enough spare floors so had to switch to the Hungary one without penalty. They weren't allowed to change the suspension settings to adjust to the different floor, which led to the exaggerated brake issues and nervous rear end.

[diffuser]

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/aston ... /10671383/

TLDR: After qualifying, the team didn't have enough spare floors so had to switch to the Hungary one without penalty. They weren't allowed to change the suspension settings to adjust to the different floor, which led to the exaggerated brake issues and nervous rear end.

I had forgotten that the difference between the Hungry floor fences and the Austin Floor fences is the part close to the rear tires, the Austin floor has a convex bubble on the floor fence with an opening


while the Hungry floor is flush same as Imola introduced in Suzuka...


This is a better picture with the rear but it doesn't have the Hungry Front...


You can clearly see in this video it's the Hungry floor ...