2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Seanspeed]

I wouldn't be surprised if Lewis sees some level of return to form if Ferrari delivers a car in 2025 that is as similarly driveable and relatively consistent as this year's car. I never bought all the stuff about him only struggling at Mercedes due to being some guinea pig for setups, that's not the behavior of a top driver, but I do think it's easier to get in your groove and exploit what you're capable of when the car performs more predictably from weekend to weekend. The Merc has clearly been a bit of a wild card this season.

I still think beating Leclerc would be a tall order, but I'm cautiously optimistic he's gonna be an asset for the team that can also help push Leclerc. I dont think we ever really needed him, but I can totally get why they took the opportunity, even outside any 'marketing' advantages.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Loved this article from the official F1 website about Vasseur and how he approaches managing the team: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... 2GTISlFghj

Ferrari have had a habit of digging themselves an ever-deepening hole when things go wrong. Staff didn’t have the confidence to admit mistakes for fear of losing their job – and creativity was starved as no one wanted to take a risk for fear of making it even worse.

Vasseur has started to squeeze this out of them. He’s given the team their confidence back. He’s encouraged them to take risks. Urged them to make mistakes if it makes the team better.

And when things go wrong, he broadens his shoulders and takes the hit from wherever the criticism is coming from. He’s done it enough times to confirm to staff that he really will shield them.

“I just want to have people working as a team, for the team,” he says. “I want them to be aggressive, taking risk. The motivation is there. You don’t need to motivate the people here, sometimes you have to even calm them down a little bit. [...]

“We have to accept and take more risk, we have to manage these risks and we have to accept we will make mistakes. We will learn from this. We are in this process. I asked the team to be more aggressive and two or three races later (in Austin), we were disqualified last year! But it’s the price we have to pay. If we are closer to the limit, it will pay off in the end.”

[CMSMJ1]

Less of the RUS vs HAM please

[.Bole]

F1uno says floor is only in fp1 for wind tunnel correlation, wont be used in race

[ScuderiaLeo]

Informative stream from Autosport.it also known as F1.uno this week (is there a shorter way to write their new name... AS.it?)

As usual I have taken this summary from FerrariF1FRA so all credit to them

• Ferrari will introduce an experimental floor (one example) in Las Vegas, probably in FP1 to collect data for the 2025 car. The floor will likely not be used in qualifying or the race. Which driver will test it is still to be determined.
• Ferrari made software and wind tunnel changes over the summer. This floor will be the first piece to determine whether they have made improvements in simulation vs wind tunnel correlation as a result of those changes.
• As has been for the past few months, the atmosphere is good in Maranello and it doesn't seem like there's any major problems.
• The Autosport.it team believes Ferrari might suffer in S1 of Vegas, but they should be comfortably strong in S2/S3.
• The new anti-roll bars that were brought at Spa went under the radar but have actually had a notable impact on the car's performance. It's little changes like this that are helping Ferrari improve at a faster rate than their competitors.
• There will be lots of risks taken for the 2025 car, with the new chassis, front suspension, and floor. However, the team is planning to use similar concepts for the next regulations set, so it's not only for "one season" like some believe.
• Serra won't appear this season because he's helping the team find direction on the 2026 car. The first concrete models are already being prepared under his guidance. This and the above point are why it's so important Ferrari finds better correlation between their simulations and track performance.

[PapayaFan481]

Is it right that the test floor won't count towards cost cap if it's only used in Free Practice?

[PapayaFan481]

HAM is certainly an upgrade over SAI in all departments as far as racing is concerned and that’s the most important bit for the team.

Hamilton is less crash prone than Sainz, but Sainz is a better qualifier now. Like Hamilton said about himself, his qualifying pace is slipping away. I would say it's more of a sidegrade. Hamilton is unlikely to be worse than Sainz but also unlikely to be much better in terms of points. That's fine because if he drives at the same level as Sainz but crashes less, Ferrari will win the WCC...

The real upgrade is the image, experience, and other resources Hamilton will bring with him. I am very excited to see what Ferrari and Hamilton do together in terms of branding. Ferrari (the whole company) already has a solid reputation but having Lewis freaking Hamilton can really elevate it if they leverage him properly.

Also (not directed at you) can people please stop arguing about Russell vs Hamilton in the FERRARI thread

I've said this before, I don't think the Ground Effect Mercs suit Hamilton's driving style. Hopefully the Ferrari will.

[wowgr8]

RE the engine penalties or lack thereof, why wouldn't they give Sainz a whole new PU if he was starting from the pitlane anyway? Fresh PU and potentially higher modes could make a difference this weekend. I also wouldn't have had an issue with them giving Charles a grid drop for a new ICE in Brazil just for a better shot at winning a few of the final 3 races

[ScuderiaLeo]

RE the engine penalties or lack thereof, why wouldn't they give Sainz a whole new PU if he was starting from the pitlane anyway? Fresh PU and potentially higher modes could make a difference this weekend. I also wouldn't have had an issue with them giving Charles a grid drop for a new ICE in Brazil just for a better shot at winning a few of the final 3 races

Maybe they just wanted to save resources?

I've said this before, I don't think the Ground Effect Mercs suit Hamilton's driving style. Hopefully the Ferrari will.

I'm sure Hamilton will find some form in Ferrari that he didn't have in Mercedes, but it's unlikely he will find his peak form again. He's getting older so it's understandable. He's still an excellent driver despite this which is what's important for the team.

[scuderiabrandon]

F1uno says floor is only in fp1 for wind tunnel correlation, wont be used in race

If it gives enough performance, they'd be silly not to use it on Charles' car during the competitive sessions.

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F1uno says floor is only in fp1 for wind tunnel correlation, wont be used in race

If it gives enough performance, they'd be silly not to use it on Charles' car during the competitive sessions.

If they only have one floor for Vegas then they can't do that or they risk a pitlane start if it breaks and isn't repairable, no?

[Seanspeed]

F1uno says floor is only in fp1 for wind tunnel correlation, wont be used in race

If it gives enough performance, they'd be silly not to use it on Charles' car during the competitive sessions.

Well what's being proposed here isn't something that will actually 'work with' the current car in a positive way, they just want to see if it reacts the way they expect.

They aren't stupid, obviously if it would add performance to the current car, they'd consider using it. But if they're already saying it's for correlation purposes only and they wont use it, then it's very unlikely to be good for the current car.

[taperoo2k]

RE the engine penalties or lack thereof, why wouldn't they give Sainz a whole new PU if he was starting from the pitlane anyway? Fresh PU and potentially higher modes could make a difference this weekend. I also wouldn't have had an issue with them giving Charles a grid drop for a new ICE in Brazil just for a better shot at winning a few of the final 3 races

Maybe they just wanted to save resources?

I've said this before, I don't think the Ground Effect Mercs suit Hamilton's driving style. Hopefully the Ferrari will.

I'm sure Hamilton will find some form in Ferrari that he didn't have in Mercedes, but it's unlikely he will find his peak form again. He's getting older so it's understandable. He's still an excellent driver despite this which is what's important for the team.

As long as Lewis is mentally sharp and hasn't lost his reflexes and he has a car to win with? You'll see him perform to the highest level. Given Ferrari seem to be resolving long standing issues, and the updates are working I think it's reasonable to assume Ferrari will give both drivers a car they can win races with and possibly challenge for the titles.

[scuderiabrandon]

F1uno says floor is only in fp1 for wind tunnel correlation, wont be used in race

If it gives enough performance, they'd be silly not to use it on Charles' car during the competitive sessions.

If they only have one floor for Vegas then they can't do that or they risk a pitlane start if it breaks and isn't repairable, no?

That is something to consider. I would say if we start entering tenths worth of performance, it is worth a shot.

[organic]

If it gives enough performance, they'd be silly not to use it on Charles' car during the competitive sessions.

If they only have one floor for Vegas then they can't do that or they risk a pitlane start if it breaks and isn't repairable, no?

That is something to consider. I would say if we start entering tenths worth of performance, it is worth a shot.

With the drain covers/potholes at Vegas I'd certainly be careful