Technical Directive: FIA bans with immediate effect special protective plates installed over skid blocks

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Technical Directive: FIA bans with immediate effect special protective plates installed over skid blocks

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https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -red-bull/

Red Bull has pointed out to the FIA that the practice is illegal

5 teams are said to be affected; AMuS claims that Ferrari, Mercedes and Haas are included in these 5. McLaren are not implicated

It's a very performance sensitive area. As we saw in 2022, plank trickery can cause big performance swings

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I’m curious to see how much the Mercedes cars will spark the next three races.

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This technical directive is quite something. With immediate effect, the FIA is banning special protective plates that around 50 percent of the teams had fitted over the skid blocks. Red Bull pointed out to the association that this practice is illegal.

It's the big issue with the ground effect cars. How deep can I drive without the skid blocks in the underbody wearing out too much due to contact with the road surface? The critical value for the screws that fix the floor panel to the car is one millimeter. Anyone who exceeds this will be disqualified, as Mercedes and Ferrari did at the 2023 US GP.

Because the downforce of the cars is heavily dependent on the height of the vehicle, the teams have come up with every conceivable trick over the last three years to protect the fastening screws as well as possible. They have experimented with insulating material between the base plate or with bolts that have a certain amount of play to cushion the impact from the track.

Red Bull discovered the trick first

The latest trick was to provide the skid-blocks, which are used for measurement by the FIA inspectors, with special protection. This applies above all to the fastening screw in the rear area of the base plate. Everyone wants to drive as low as possible in order to gain downforce.

Around 50 percent of the field believed they had found a loophole in the regulations. Red Bull was the first to discover the so-called protection plates among the competition. These are said to include Ferrari, Mercedes and Haas. World Championship opponents McLaren, on the other hand, like Red Bull, did without this practice.

What are the consequences of the ban?

Red Bull pointed out to the FIA that the trick was illegal if the rules were applied precisely and that a protest would have to be expected if there was no clarification on this issue. And this came promptly. A week before the Las Vegas GP, all teams received a letter. In a technical directive, the FIA announced that the protective skids in question were not permitted. This assessment applies with immediate effect. Ferrari would have liked to move the date to the Qatar GP, but were unable to get their way.

The teams affected now have a problem that is all the greater when the aerodynamics are specifically designed for extremely low ground clearance. Because no one can risk the skid blocks rubbing off too much, the relevant teams have to raise their vehicle height to a safe level. And that could cost one or the other a lap time.
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How long have they been able to get away with this? These are teams that won races...The FIA are utterly useless.
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Re: Technical Directive: FIA bans with immediate effect special protective plates installed over skid blocks

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This may be as "true" as the bib and water in the tires.

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jumpingfish wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 08:54
This may be as "true" as the bib and water in the tires.
Ferrari would have liked to move the date to the Qatar GP, but were unable to get their way.
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AR3-GP wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 08:52
How long have they been able to get away with this? These are teams that won races...The FIA are utterly useless.
To me it's conceivable that Red Bull themselves have known for a while. Until now it has been thoroughly beneficial for red bull that Ferrari became fast just as their car had issues, and took a lot of points from Norris by denying wins.

Now that red bull have sorted their car out somewhat and also believe that they've slowed down McLaren sufficiently to fight for wins (via Watergate), Ferrari being fast is no longer as beneficial.

I'm just saying this is plausible if we look at the timing.

It's normal at this point for the teams to be helping to police the rules like this. I think it's always been the case

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AR3-GP wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 08:55
jumpingfish wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 08:54
This may be as "true" as the bib and water in the tires.
Ferrari would have liked to move the date to the Qatar GP, but were unable to get their way.
Who said that? An anonymous source told an AMuS journalist about it? Did Ferrari engineers go on air and say they were trying to move the date to Qatar? The Autosport article claimed that Red Bull was changing the height of the car between qualifying and the race, which led the FIA ​​to make a circus with stickers during the broadcast. How is Autosport different from AMuS and why should we trust them all?

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jumpingfish wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 09:15
AR3-GP wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 08:55
jumpingfish wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 08:54
This may be as "true" as the bib and water in the tires.
Ferrari would have liked to move the date to the Qatar GP, but were unable to get their way.
Who said that? An anonymous source told an AMuS journalist about it? Did Ferrari engineers go on air and say they were trying to move the date to Qatar? The Autosport article claimed that Red Bull was changing the height of the car between qualifying and the race, which led the FIA ​​to make a circus with stickers during the broadcast. How is Autosport different from AMuS and why should we trust them all?
Ferrari wanting the date moved does not mean anything in particular. It is stated that the directive came a week ago. So it could mean they are short on time to produce new parts.

I'd also love to know what “special protection” is. That doesn't mean anything.

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Just love these anti Ferrari TDs.

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.Bole wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 09:25
Just love these anti Ferrari TDs.
You're falling for the political aspect of the article. 50% of teams are doing it according to this article. Ferrari being mentioned is for clicks.

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Mercedes drivers had been complaining about warm seat bottoms for ages. Now we know why.
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Is AMuS the only outlet reporting on this? They've had more than one big miss with their technical reports this year unfortunately. We'll see the early signs if this is another technical nothingburger like adjustable bib or water in tyres in less than 24h
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Unfortunately, this article doesn't give us any digestible information. They seem to have written an article which they had to fill an immense amount of gaps on to even put something like this out.

What is “special protection”. Teams are limited by area and material for the skids? So what is actually happening here.

Even more reason to make TD's public.

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I still don't understand the mechanism. The way it's described in the AMUS article (a literal cover over the skid block) sounds so ridiculous that I just can't fathom anyone would be taking the piss like this. So did their skid plates just have no wear on them after the protective plates were removed? Did the FIA not find this suspicious? :?

While I'm not quite sure Michael Schmidt has reported the mechanism accurately, I don't doubt that some teams would have wanted to delay it. Finding out a week before the GP when the cars were probably already on there way to Las Vegas is fairly disruptive. However, if what has been described is accurate, then it would be such a clear regs breach that they'd have to take immediate action.
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