2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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chrisc90 wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 01:25
organic wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 01:15
Very important to start 2025 off well otherwise it will be an easy decision for Verstappen to jump ship and leave RB without a single decent driver
I think that is a true statement...BUT make it for 2026. That's when the next big regulation change happens and its a 'ball in anyone's court' for active aero AND a new power unit in the back of the car.

As for F1, I really dont think Max is out there to set new records each year. Yes he does it, but I really really dont think he wants to have 8 WDC titles. I think Max would rather know when he's not at the peak of his performance (whenever that may be) and sit back and pursue his dream of having a race team and running that.
I had heard these kind of things about Lewis too! Leaving hundreds of millions on the table and walking away is not an easy thing for anyone, even if they already have hundreds of millions in the bank.

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organic wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 01:15
Very important to start 2025 off well otherwise it will be an easy decision for Verstappen to jump ship and leave RB without a single decent driver
Redbull have no interest in putting a "decent" driver next to Max so we never going to find out those drivers are.rookie Gasly was on average 0.4 tenth slower than Max when he started .if they stuck with him he would have improved and learned.they were hostile to him because he wanted to challenge Max.Max when he started at redbull was 0.3 tenth behind Daniel but he gradually improved and ended up faster.the ground effect car are a different beast they humbled many great experienced drivers so you never know how a young driver would perform if you put him in a redbull.

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I had heard these kind of things about Lewis too! Leaving hundreds of millions on the table and walking away is not an easy thing for anyone, even if they already have hundreds of millions in the bank.
I remember reading an interview with Nico Rosberg where he said that he left over $100m on the table in commercial opportunities by deciding to retire after winning the championship in 2016. However, he knew that he had given absolutely everything that season and did not think he could do it again.

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organic wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 01:15
Very important to start 2025 off well otherwise it will be an easy decision for Verstappen to jump ship and leave RB without a single decent driver
Maybe 2026, not 2025 in my opinion.

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Just about every driver has a break clause in their contract for the end of the 2026 season, so that if their team is performing poorly under the new rules, they can change to a different team. Max undoubtedly has a "Vettel" clause in his contract that would allow him to terminate it if he is lower than a certain place in the Drivers Championship on a certain date (in the case of Vettel, he accepted an offer from Ferrari in September of 2024).

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gshevlin wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 05:13
Max undoubtedly has a "Vettel" clause in his contract that would allow him to terminate it if he is lower than a certain place in the Drivers Championship on a certain date (in the case of Vettel, he accepted an offer from Ferrari in September of 2024).
Many Vettel fans would wish this to be true

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I have the feeling that the second driver is kind of always in danger to take a bit of more risk to be up there with Max. If you're always behind, the media is starting to ask more and more silly questions and as a driver you want to prove them wrong, take the extra bit of risk and eventually crash. And the downward spiral begins.

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Qatar should suit our car with all the medium-high speed corners and higher track temperatures I think. Maybe Max could fight for a win there. But for me after yesterday last two races are all a test session for next year. The pressure is off. :)

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Vettel165 wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 12:25
Qatar should suit our car with all the medium-high speed corners and higher track temperatures I think. Maybe Max could fight for a win there. But for me after yesterday last two races are all a test session for next year. The pressure is off. :)
Lots of long radius corners, where 'driver skill' will make it's presence felt.
In fact, apart from T6 (slow hairpin), all of them are long radius corners, medium speed and high speed. Sector3 has all of the high speed corners (T12-T16) and Sector1 and Sector2 have all of the medium speed corners (T1 to T10, except T6). McLaren will be mega in Sectors 1 and 2 and Redbull (if they get the car right) has an advantage in Sector 3.

It's a proper 'drivers track' like Brazil, Suzuka etc, very flowing. No jerks.

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Somehow I feel Max will fly on this track.

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Paa wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 17:32
Somehow I feel Max will fly on this track.
There is a good chance, with pressure off.
But I still feel it will be a 'deg' contest, with so many fast turns putting massive energy into the tyres.

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It will finally turn out whether something was in the water-in-tyre story.
Previous two races were a bit inconclusive due to rain and cold weather. But if McLaren will struggle with race pace again, then it will be story confirmed for me.

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Bill wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 04:20
organic wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 01:15
Very important to start 2025 off well otherwise it will be an easy decision for Verstappen to jump ship and leave RB without a single decent driver
Redbull have no interest in putting a "decent" driver next to Max so we never going to find out those drivers are.rookie Gasly was on average 0.4 tenth slower than Max when he started .if they stuck with him he would have improved and learned.they were hostile to him because he wanted to challenge Max.Max when he started at redbull was 0.3 tenth behind Daniel but he gradually improved and ended up faster.the ground effect car are a different beast they humbled many great experienced drivers so you never know how a young driver would perform if you put him in a redbull.
Max defeated Sainz and Ricciardo, Both are decent (Ricciardo certainly back then) to say the least. I’ve always said keep Gasly, but when he was next to Max the usual crowd screamed to have him ejected, same for Albon, I wanted for them to give him time but again all the it crowd was screaming for his head.

Because whoever runs next to Max and gets defeated is poor right, can’t be Max. No. Albon and Gasly have both proven to be decent, you know, the kind of driver Redbull refused to put next to Max.

Perez is a also-run man with a nice sponsor pay check. They don’t need to get rid of him, he’s a midfield driver and they have Max, but they should have kept Gasly or Albon. I think Albon is the most level headed. He got torn to pieces for the “why they fight me so hard” (the Toro Rosso drivers) but he was right to say so. They were fighting him as if they were in the final stages of a wdc battle. Made no sense. Sure, they wanted to prove their worth, but just ended up ruining both their tires so what is proven then. Albon was right to call it out. Just the marketing of that request was not smart.

Perez is now activating all his sponsors to try and keep the seat. Nestlé especially is very active. And you know, redbull must eject him from that seat, because he is not a decent driver, right? Can’t be Max, must be that Perez is not decent.

I don’t know what you mean by that word but imho a midfield f1 driver is worthy of the term decent.

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I am very curious to see how the car will perform in the dry on two more standard tracks like Qatar and Abu Dhabi.

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Wache not confident about their 2025 prospects:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/red-b ... /10676601/
Just a fan's point of view