2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[diffuser]

Because history has shown us that their off season upgrades work. It's the in season upgrades that don't.

I don't know why you think this year's base car worked. While the car initially qualified decently, it handled poorly, lacked stability under braking, and burned through its tyres in race pace. Pre-season testing more than showed this.

Just look at what Alpine or McLaren have been able to do. Doesn't that give you hope ? it could be just 1 small thing that unlocks everything.

[Big Gun]

Its a shame to think that Perez could only catch Alonso towards the end in a RBR. Imagine Alonso in a top seat still at 43, on race day i would back him against anyone still, except maybe Max.
Alonso in this years Mclaren would have troubled Max a Lot more than Norris in the WDC 100% even his haters cant deny that.

[Nikosar]

Sportico summarized the financial numbers liked to F1 teams for 2023 and 2024.

We made an extraordinary growth under Lawrence Sr. However can someone please explain how can F1 team like Aston or also Williams keep up with a negative operating profit ?

Aston at least is recovering from 2022 but how on earth Williams is keeping up ?

All numbers : https://www.sportico.com/feature/formul ... 234727512/

[LookingGlass]

Aston Martin's new simulator is now online according to DLR - is that why Fernando was smiling?

I would like to read about these simulators, what they do? ( ok, simulate) but, what is the principal interest on them and how this new simualtor could help AM from now? someone has any article or whatever about simulators for me?

Sure, this is a good article to check out.

https://blog.purestorage.com/perspectiv ... -and-data/

Basically, it is able to provide tons of data analytics, creation, and extraction based on existing data and running new simulations to build new ones. While certainly important, it isn't just to provide race simulations for the driver to learn the track and the car, it also is creating a tremendous amount of new data that can be used to refine the car, identify weak points, etc.

The amount of data that can be created in the sessions is massive. More modern infrastructure and software allows that data to be processed and analyzed quicker, turning it into usable information that can then be used by various internal departments.

An example would be taking Alonso's laps on a certain track, building a driver profile model that simulates his style, and running thousands of simulations accounting for thousands of situations. That "deep learning" allows the team to develop base setups going into a weekend, more in-depth feedback to the driver, and can uncover potentially more optimal shift and braking points, engine modes in based on race conditions, and so on. There is so much that can be done with a modern simulator.

[Rikrikrik]

Aston Martin's new simulator is now online according to DLR - is that why Fernando was smiling?

I would like to read about these simulators, what they do? ( ok, simulate) but, what is the principal interest on them and how this new simualtor could help AM from now? someone has any article or whatever about simulators for me?

Sure, this is a good article to check out.

https://blog.purestorage.com/perspectiv ... -and-data/

Basically, it is able to provide tons of data analytics, creation, and extraction based on existing data and running new simulations to build new ones. While certainly important, it isn't just to provide race simulations for the driver to learn the track and the car, it also is creating a tremendous amount of new data that can be used to refine the car, identify weak points, etc.

The amount of data that can be created in the sessions is massive. More modern infrastructure and software allows that data to be processed and analyzed quicker, turning it into usable information that can then be used by various internal departments.

An example would be taking Alonso's laps on a certain track, building a driver profile model that simulates his style, and running thousands of simulations accounting for thousands of situations. That "deep learning" allows the team to develop base setups going into a weekend, more in-depth feedback to the driver, and can uncover potentially more optimal shift and braking points, engine modes in based on race conditions, and so on. There is so much that can be done with a modern simulator.

Thanks mate

[Waz]

Because history has shown us that their off season upgrades work. It's the in season upgrades that don't.

I don't know why you think this year's base car worked. While the car initially qualified decently, it handled poorly, lacked stability under braking, and burned through its tyres in race pace. Pre-season testing more than showed this.

Just look at what Alpine or McLaren have been able to do. Doesn't that give you hope ? it could be just 1 small thing that unlocks everything.

McLaren improvement coincides with their new wind tunnel. This is why getting rid of Fallows entirely would be a mistake before the new tunnel and manufacturing enclaves are operating.

The difference will be vast.

[Rikrikrik]

"Las tareas se han dividido entre personas diferentes. Bob Bell, director ejecutivo y Eric Blandin, jefe de aerodinámica se encargarán del coche de 2025", ha asegurado para cerrar."

Mike Krack confirmed the Bob Bell and Eric Blandin are the encharges about AMR25. I really dont know what we need expect from them.

[peewon]

With the ban of Mclaren's rear wings and subsequent drop in performance, in wonder how much of car development is simply what the FIA lets you get away with. I still see Mercedes and Mclaren have extremely bendy front wings compared to other teams. I should also mention that teams like Ferrari and Rd Bull are fast without them. I wonder if AM was allowed to continue with its original front wing from '23 , where they would be relative to other teams.

This is also where Krack's shortcomings as a TP comes through. He should've been raising hell about FIA being so selective on these crackdowns. It basically took a twitter user to show Mclaren openly flouting rules for the FIA to do something even when teams had complained directly. I wouldve openly asked FIA questions through the media regarding this. Zak Brown went crazy over a non existent issue. But Krack simply doesnt have the gravitas in the paddock for such things.

[KimiRai]

With the ban of Mclaren's rear wings and subsequent drop in performance, in wonder how much of car development is simply what the FIA lets you get away with. I still see Mercedes and Mclaren have extremely bendy front wings compared to other teams. I should also mention that teams like Ferrari and Rd Bull are fast without them. I wonder if AM was allowed to continue with its original front wing from '23 , where they would be relative to other teams.

This is also where Krack's shortcomings as a TP comes through. He should've been raising hell about FIA being so selective on these crackdowns. It basically took a twitter user to show Mclaren openly flouting rules for the FIA to do something even when teams had complained directly. I wouldve openly asked FIA questions through the media regarding this. Zak Brown went crazy over a non existent issue. But Krack simply doesnt have the gravitas in the paddock for such things.

agreed.

[diffuser]

With the ban of Mclaren's rear wings and subsequent drop in performance, in wonder how much of car development is simply what the FIA lets you get away with. I still see Mercedes and Mclaren have extremely bendy front wings compared to other teams. I should also mention that teams like Ferrari and Rd Bull are fast without them. I wonder if AM was allowed to continue with its original front wing from '23 , where they would be relative to other teams.

This is also where Krack's shortcomings as a TP comes through. He should've been raising hell about FIA being so selective on these crackdowns. It basically took a twitter user to show Mclaren openly flouting rules for the FIA to do something even when teams had complained directly. I wouldve openly asked FIA questions through the media regarding this. Zak Brown went crazy over a non existent issue. But Krack simply doesnt have the gravitas in the paddock for such things.

Has McLaren Raised hell on the rear wing? and has it helped McLaren ?


AMR has also brought back the more flexy wing and it hasn't helped them. I should restate that, it hasn't gotten them over this current malaise. Think whatever issues they hit in 2023 are related to the current lack of understanding of how to manipulate the floor to give it good consistent DF through the full extent of the corner and different types of corners.

[Sherrinford]

I don't know why you think this year's base car worked. While the car initially qualified decently, it handled poorly, lacked stability under braking, and burned through its tyres in race pace. Pre-season testing more than showed this.

Just look at what Alpine or McLaren have been able to do. Doesn't that give you hope ? it could be just 1 small thing that unlocks everything.

McLaren improvement coincides with their new wind tunnel. This is why getting rid of Fallows entirely would be a mistake before the new tunnel and manufacturing enclaves are operating.

The difference will be vast.

I recently read that the McLaren gallery was made available in November 2023, so previous progress is in the old gallery. In any case McLaren is still strong even after the ban of the rear wing, in Brazil they were the best car I remind you

[peewon]

With the ban of Mclaren's rear wings and subsequent drop in performance, in wonder how much of car development is simply what the FIA lets you get away with. I still see Mercedes and Mclaren have extremely bendy front wings compared to other teams. I should also mention that teams like Ferrari and Rd Bull are fast without them. I wonder if AM was allowed to continue with its original front wing from '23 , where they would be relative to other teams.

This is also where Krack's shortcomings as a TP comes through. He should've been raising hell about FIA being so selective on these crackdowns. It basically took a twitter user to show Mclaren openly flouting rules for the FIA to do something even when teams had complained directly. I wouldve openly asked FIA questions through the media regarding this. Zak Brown went crazy over a non existent issue. But Krack simply doesnt have the gravitas in the paddock for such things.

Has McLaren Raised hell on the rear wing? and has it helped McLaren ?


AMR has also brought back the more flexy wing and it hasn't helped them. I should restate that, it hasn't gotten them over this current malaise. Think whatever issues they hit in 2023 are related to the current lack of understanding of how to manipulate the floor to give it good consistent DF through the full extent of the corner and different types of corners.

I was referring to the Red Bull bib issue which Zak Brown and Mclaren drivers made multiple statements about. Of course, they were aided and abetted by the media in it.

Its hard to conclusively say what mightve been with the flexy wings because they have been chasing certain characteristics in the car since that point and the development has been based on that.

Regardless of how much it would have helped, AM should have taken exception to the very obvious double standards FIA has in enforcing these matters.

[Nikosar]

With the ban of Mclaren's rear wings and subsequent drop in performance, in wonder how much of car development is simply what the FIA lets you get away with. I still see Mercedes and Mclaren have extremely bendy front wings compared to other teams. I should also mention that teams like Ferrari and Rd Bull are fast without them. I wonder if AM was allowed to continue with its original front wing from '23 , where they would be relative to other teams.

This is also where Krack's shortcomings as a TP comes through. He should've been raising hell about FIA being so selective on these crackdowns. It basically took a twitter user to show Mclaren openly flouting rules for the FIA to do something even when teams had complained directly. I wouldve openly asked FIA questions through the media regarding this. Zak Brown went crazy over a non existent issue. But Krack simply doesnt have the gravitas in the paddock for such things.

Has McLaren Raised hell on the rear wing? and has it helped McLaren ?


AMR has also brought back the more flexy wing and it hasn't helped them. I should restate that, it hasn't gotten them over this current malaise. Think whatever issues they hit in 2023 are related to the current lack of understanding of how to manipulate the floor to give it good consistent DF through the full extent of the corner and different types of corners.

I was referring to the Red Bull bib issue which Zak Brown and Mclaren drivers made multiple statements about. Of course, they were aided and abetted by the media in it.

Its hard to conclusively say what mightve been with the flexy wings because they have been chasing certain characteristics in the car since that point and the development has been based on that.

Regardless of how much it would have helped, AM should have taken exception to the very obvious double standards FIA has in enforcing these matters.

Let's not forget that we exceeded the cap two years ago and that the FIA was merciful to us. Then, this year, for the Pirelli 2026 test, we were randomly selected. We were very lucky.

AM knows very well how to deal with the FIA.

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Aston running much higher the car as Ferrari or Alpine. Clearly visible the different in the television so is not just 1-2 millimeters.

[peewon]

Has McLaren Raised hell on the rear wing? and has it helped McLaren ?


AMR has also brought back the more flexy wing and it hasn't helped them. I should restate that, it hasn't gotten them over this current malaise. Think whatever issues they hit in 2023 are related to the current lack of understanding of how to manipulate the floor to give it good consistent DF through the full extent of the corner and different types of corners.

I was referring to the Red Bull bib issue which Zak Brown and Mclaren drivers made multiple statements about. Of course, they were aided and abetted by the media in it.

Its hard to conclusively say what mightve been with the flexy wings because they have been chasing certain characteristics in the car since that point and the development has been based on that.

Regardless of how much it would have helped, AM should have taken exception to the very obvious double standards FIA has in enforcing these matters.

Let's not forget that we exceeded the cap two years ago and that the FIA was merciful to us. Then, this year, for the Pirelli 2026 test, we were randomly selected. We were very lucky.

AM knows very well how to deal with the FIA.

They did not exceed the cap. They made some reporting errors. Only RB was deemed to have exceeded the cost cap.