2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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venkyhere wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:43
AR3-GP wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:33
ffs just credit Sainz and let it go.
=D> comment of the day
I am giving credit to Sainz??? Good on him for qualifying in front, he is better at dealing with the tyre temp limitation than Charles, which shows in him finishing ahead...

It is like you guys can't read.

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AR3-GP wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:42
Or maybe Sainz just gets on with it without complaining where everyone can hear it as an excuse and leaves it for private discussion.
This is getting a little silly. Now Leclerc isn't allowed to tell the team about the issues he's having? It doesn't matter if his teammate is or isn't having the same issues, he's allowed to tell the team what he feels is limiting him...

There's so much to discuss about the car, team, and track, but everyone is fixating on a 0.030 gap between the drivers instead #-o I'm pretty sure every person involved in this discussion agrees Sainz did better, so I don't even understand what you guys are debating.

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SoulPancake13 wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:28
Front suspension change needs to be good, can't handle another year where the drivers can't express the pace of the car due to no temps. I have a feeling race pace will be strong here.
To fix front tyre temp issue they need to stiffen it up, which will bring low speed understeer and kerb riding issues just like Redbull. You can't have both, nor is there a win win situation where you have a bit of both (soft enough to ride kerbs and stiff enough to fire up tyres)
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Didn't see Sainz's interview, but Charles confirmed the car felt much different to FP1, a lot more understeer - both drivers complained about it on radio ; ). McLaren are just strongest here and even Merc will thrive with the lower temps. Let's hope for some chaos up front that doesn't affect either driver!

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:47
AR3-GP wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:42
Or maybe Sainz just gets on with it without complaining where everyone can hear it as an excuse and leaves it for private discussion.
This is getting a little silly. Now Leclerc isn't allowed to tell the team about the issues he's having? It doesn't matter if his teammate is or isn't having the same issues, he's allowed to tell the team what he feels is limiting him...

There's so much to discuss about the car, team, and track, but everyone is fixating on a 0.030 gap between the drivers instead #-o I'm pretty sure every person involved in this discussion agrees Sainz did better, so I don't even understand what you guys are debating.
Leclerc is allowed to say whatever he likes to the team. I never criticized Leclerc. The problem is how people then post pages of it here so quickly before the session even ended...and don't see how they are overshadowing the performance of Sainz with what are at best, driver excuses. Imo many do simply think it's never that Sainz is quick. It's just that Charles would have been quicker if his tires were warm...We don't even know that Sainz's tires were warm...Maybe he just got on with it.... Even Lando Norris said the track is tricky because the tires are cool at the beginning of the lap. It was probably the same for everyone.
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In the other hand, in qualifying there physically could not be a miracle, although it turned out better than expected. Let's see what happens with race pace and tyres deg, we lost even more in qualifying in Austin.
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venkyhere wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:43
AR3-GP wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:33
ffs just credit Sainz and let it go.
=D> comment of the day
The comment out of spite gang came here before we even asses the situation and give credit where due, but such is life with people giving their whole life to this forum.

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SoulPancake13 wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:50
Didn't see Sainz's interview, but Charles confirmed the car felt much different to FP1, a lot more understeer - both drivers complained about it on radio ; ). McLaren are just strongest here and even Merc will thrive with the lower temps. Let's hope for some chaos up front that doesn't affect either driver!
Sainz said something similar in his Sky interview. Uncontrollable understeer on the softs compared to the mediums. (He specifically pointed out the difference from the compounds.) They both said they were expecting P4-P5 this weekend, so now it's just back to reality after FP1...

It doesn't seem like either of them have much confidence right now. Feels particularly bad after the excellent FP1, but this is yet another lesson in not overreacting when the other teams haven't showed their hand.

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Cs98 wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:24
Another statement from Sainz, not getting the upgrades but still putting it ahead.
Do you realise that an ‘experimental’ floor does not bring any benefits in terms of performance? Maranello wants to test the correlation... unless you have some information that clearly shows that the new floor gives a gain? If so, how much? 0.1s 0.2s? Besides, since Leclerc is staying at Ferrari, it should be obvious that the driver who will drive this car next year should test new things. Sainz input no longer matters

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Why is the Ferrari team thread the only one that turns into a cesspool after quali/race session with fans of other teams coming in to rain their opinion while all the other ones stay relatively clean?

Pretty anonymous quali for Ferrari overall, in the end they are about where they thought they were.

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woocasz wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:55
Cs98 wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:24
Another statement from Sainz, not getting the upgrades but still putting it ahead.
Do you realise that an ‘experimental’ floor does not bring any benefits in terms of performance? Maranello wants to test the correlation... unless you have some information that clearly shows that the new floor gives a gain? If so, how much? 0.1s 0.2s? Besides, since Leclerc is staying at Ferrari, it should be obvious that the driver who will drive this car next year should test new things. Sainz input no longer matters
You can test the correlation in practice, you don't keep the part on the car for competitive sessions unless you think it's a performance upgrade from the other spec. Especially not when the championship standings look like they do.

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Hoping Ferrari's tire management makes a difference tomorrow vs Mercedes. Just don't see anyone touching McLaren this weekend.

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Cs98 wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 21:12
woocasz wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:55
Cs98 wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:24
Another statement from Sainz, not getting the upgrades but still putting it ahead.
Do you realise that an ‘experimental’ floor does not bring any benefits in terms of performance? Maranello wants to test the correlation... unless you have some information that clearly shows that the new floor gives a gain? If so, how much? 0.1s 0.2s? Besides, since Leclerc is staying at Ferrari, it should be obvious that the driver who will drive this car next year should test new things. Sainz input no longer matters
You can test the correlation in practice, you don't keep the part on the car for competitive sessions unless you think it's a performance upgrade from the other spec. Especially not when the championship standings look like they do.
More driving, more data to analyse. Simple as that. Honestly, what's your problem? Any self-respecting team will let a driver test new parts who stays with the team for next year and who will drive that car based on that data!!!

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dialtone wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 21:10
Why is the Ferrari team thread the only one that turns into a cesspool after quali/race session with fans of other teams coming in to rain their opinion while all the other ones stay relatively clean?

Pretty anonymous quali for Ferrari overall, in the end they are about where they thought they were.
It will be over very soon…

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woocasz wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 21:16
Cs98 wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 21:12
woocasz wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:55


Do you realise that an ‘experimental’ floor does not bring any benefits in terms of performance? Maranello wants to test the correlation... unless you have some information that clearly shows that the new floor gives a gain? If so, how much? 0.1s 0.2s? Besides, since Leclerc is staying at Ferrari, it should be obvious that the driver who will drive this car next year should test new things. Sainz input no longer matters
You can test the correlation in practice, you don't keep the part on the car for competitive sessions unless you think it's a performance upgrade from the other spec. Especially not when the championship standings look like they do.
More driving, more data to analyse. Simple as that. Honestly, what's your problem? Any self-respecting team will let a driver test new parts who stays with the team for next year and who will drive that car based on that data!!!
I think any self respecting team would put the best package possible on the track when they are fighting for a constructor's championship. Of course Ferrari would not waste this once in a decade opportunity for some experimentation they can do in practice. They kept the part on the car because after FP they thought it was faster.