2024 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Nov 29 - Dec 01

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Re: 2024 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Nov 29 - Dec 01

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Lewis' form regularly tanks when his motivation is low (eg after wrapping up titles). Considering he didn't even want to drive for Merc for the final 3 rounds I think it's highly likely that this is exaggerating Russell's good performance. Merc said they'd be quick here and they are.

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venkyhere wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:54
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29 Nov 2024, 20:01
Luscion wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 19:57
are Russell and Lewis driving the same car? jeez, 7 tenths difference
This is embarrassing for Lewis, how on earth can't he figure out how to qualify?!?
I think it's a bit of both - GR driving as well as he has ever done, and LH in the waning phase of 'outright limits' driving.
It's convincing me more and more, with every passing race, that GR might be a better qualifier than 'quali king' LeClerc, just that he never consistently had the car to show for it (williams, ground effect mercedes).
Very possible, now we know why they call him Mr Saturday, but what has surprised me is how he has been able to live with Lewis on race day, he never looked anything special when partnered with Latifi, I can recall Qatar 21, Latifi was on his tail in the race.

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Juzh wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:41
We saw Verstappen flatout in T14 at ~270 kmh and T15 at 260 kmh. Impressive. In general cars are and look a lot faster than last year.

edit. I think Rus and Lec were also flat at 270+. Russel tricked the car by doing that and it cut the battery as it wasn't expecting it. Similar to alonso's 2017 puohon.
These ground effect cars are truly insane in high speed corners and the lap time delta between 2023 and this year is actually surprisingly big. I actually thought that we would see a new track record today after Lando's .21.3 on mediums in q1, but I guess SQ3s in general are never really quick.
I expect a low 1:20 tomorrow though

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matt_b wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:18
Bracken wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:01
Luscion wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 19:57
are Russell and Lewis driving the same car? jeez, 7 tenths difference
This is embarrassing for Lewis, how on earth can't he figure out how to qualify?!?
George P2 Lewis P7 and four tenths adrift, he was flying on his first lap and messed up the final sector asking too much from the car again, he's done his all season and even James Allison said you cant hustle these cars like times before yet here we are.
Agreed. I watched the Singapore Q3 laps of Lewis and George because their laptimes were similar but the driving styles are so different.

Lewis yanks the steering wheel through the corners, brakes as late as possible and slams the throttle out of corners while George is smooth and gentle with the throttle and steering input.

I doubt Lewis will change his style after such a long career, so he can only hope whatever cars he drives next can withstand his harsh driving style. Younger drivers can adapt easily so they can get up to speed with anything you give them.

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Lewis continues to get destroyed by Russell in qualifying. Half a second down on a teammate is unacceptable. I think Toto is right. Every driver has a shelf life.
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r85 wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 22:29
matt_b wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:18
Bracken wrote:
29 Nov 2024, 20:01


This is embarrassing for Lewis, how on earth can't he figure out how to qualify?!?
George P2 Lewis P7 and four tenths adrift, he was flying on his first lap and messed up the final sector asking too much from the car again, he's done his all season and even James Allison said you cant hustle these cars like times before yet here we are.
Agreed. I watched the Singapore Q3 laps of Lewis and George because their laptimes were similar but the driving styles are so different.

Lewis yanks the steering wheel through the corners, brakes as late as possible and slams the throttle out of corners while George is smooth and gentle with the throttle and steering input.

I doubt Lewis will change his style after such a long career, so he can only hope whatever cars he drives next can withstand his harsh driving style. Younger drivers can adapt easily so they can get up to speed with anything you give them.
It seems these cars really don’t like late braking and aggressive steering. Watching the onboards Russell brakes a bit earlier and carries more speed through the corner. He has less steering on and doesn’t seem to ask as much from the car. If the car had more grip to exploit Hamilton’s style would make better use of it but as it doesn’t he ends up sliding, usually losing the rear.

Would 29 year old Hamilton have adapted better? Hamilton has said previously he doesn’t like to to use the sim and look at data much, preferring to just feel and drive. This is one instance where data and sim work would probably be very helpful.

I do think it’s to Merc’s advantage to massage Russell’s ego as he’s their new team lead. Shovlin has said previously that a lot of their development has centered around giving Hamilton what he wants from the car. I think it’s evident that what Russell wants is now more important. Also giving Russell confidence that he can lead the team before Hamilton leaves.

It’ll be interesting to see if the Ferrari responds better to Hamilton’s hustling style, or, if he’s still in F1 the 2026 cars do.

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Just a reminder that the discord channel is a great place to chat about race build up, the race itself and events happening during the race (and after!)

Come along and give it a go. (discord is free to sign up to FYI)


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Wow Checo lol.

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Perez getting overtaken from the pitlane just sleeping when the light goes green, has a seat for next year though :roll:

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This track was designed for MotoGP!

We went there in 2021 because of Covid and stuff but this track just isn’t fit for purpose! There’s no way to overtake if you aren’t miles faster and there no overtaking zones!

Even turn 1 isn’t that great for overtaking since it is quite long and wide…

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McLarenHonda wrote:
30 Nov 2024, 16:22
This track was designed for MotoGP!

We went there in 2021 because of Covid and stuff but this track just isn’t fit for purpose! There’s no way to overtake if you aren’t miles faster and there no overtaking zones!

Even turn 1 isn’t that great for overtaking since it is quite long and wide…
I just find it a dull place to watch the cars. Featureless.

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Mogster wrote:
30 Nov 2024, 16:28
I just find it a dull place to watch the cars. Featureless.
Pretty awful. Kerbs spiced it up last year, with the three mandatory stops. Different story this year.

Nice touch from Lando. Constructors pretty much done

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I'm surprised the stewards aren't having a look at that move from Piastri.

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Matt2725 wrote:
30 Nov 2024, 16:36
I'm surprised the stewards aren't having a look at that move from Piastri.
What is illegal about it? Or what rule does it disobey?
Call a spade, a spade.