2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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It's a pity what happened to Perez. He deserved a good race today after the year that he has had. He would have been P5 today.

It was driver error again

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It's a pity what happened to Perez. He deserved a good race today after the year that he has had. He would have been P5 today.

It was driver error again

That just makes it an even greater pity.

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Why did both drivers have such poor grip on the hard tire restart? Is it related to the pressures set from the pitlane?

Grip level was normal, perez spins out of boredom and being completely checked out. Today he was slow, a whole second per lap off verstappen. That would still be sufficient for some points, but he couldn't even manage that.

I looked at onboards from both norris and max on the hard tyre and it was obvious norris was faster by a significant amount. Verstappen wasn't poodling around either. He was flat trough entire T12-13-14 section. I noticed engine strategy was less aggressive in that section compared to mercedes and ferrari. Honda derated soon after T12 and lost noticeable amount of speed, so even with Verstappen completely flat out he was still slower than Norris and Lec who both lifted a little in T14.

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Yea a straight fight with the hards would've been a bloodbath

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Do you think there was an "aha" moment for Red Bull this weekend in terms of setup? Something similar like Max had at Baku-2023? After both races he spoke similarly about learning few very interesting things.

Also do we even know anything about the extent or nature of the changes they did? I only know that they experimented with the suspension with Perez during the sprint.
After qualy Max said something about they "made some tweaks" so kind of downplaying the extent of the setup work. But then someone from Red Bull team (I don't remember who) said that they completely changed the whole setup.

Either way, they significantly improved both qualy and race pace.
But it is not sure if they found something new, or maybe this was their standard form on this track and they just underachieved at the sprint with suboptimal setup.

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Yea a straight fight with the hards would've been a bloodbath

I don't see that.
Lando was driving in anger probably at full pace, while Max had no reason to push.
They have 0.5s delta in their fastest lap, but I'm pretty confident that Max had at least a few tenths in reserve. Again he had no reason to go full beans.
Yeah, Lando looked very quick around backmarkers, but those same backmarkers got 50-60 second from Max as well, in what? Like 15 or so laps? Also Norris finished 35s behind Max, which was estimated around the cost of the penalty. Yes, he did not have free air, but it is not like he was massively gaining on a cruising Max.

I think he might have had a few tenths advantage, but definitely less than 0.5s. I don't think that would have been enough for an overtake. Just look at Piastri and his struggle to follow/attack Charles.

By the way, I also think Lando had the same few tenths advantage on medium tyre. If you can follow someone within 2 seconds for 30+ laps, it usually mean you would be marginally faster in free air.

So all in all I think that the hard tyre stint would have played out similarly to the first. It seems that Red Bulls were struggling to get temperature into that tyre during the first 1-2 laps, but once warmed up, I don't think Norris could have posed a serious threat.

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Do you think there was an "aha" moment for Red Bull this weekend in terms of setup? Something similar like Max had at Baku-2023? After both races he spoke similarly about learning few very interesting things.

Also do we even know anything about the extent or nature of the changes they did? I only know that they experimented with the suspension with Perez during the sprint.
After qualy Max said something about they "made some tweaks" so kind of downplaying the extent of the setup work. But then someone from Red Bull team (I don't remember who) said that they completely changed the whole setup.

Either way, they significantly improved both qualy and race pace.
But it is not sure if they found something new, or maybe this was their standard form on this track and they just underachieved at the sprint with suboptimal setup.

Erik van Haren said they dropped the ride height by 3mm between sprint and qualifying for max, amongst other changes.

[Paa]

Do you think there was an "aha" moment for Red Bull this weekend in terms of setup? Something similar like Max had at Baku-2023? After both races he spoke similarly about learning few very interesting things.

Also do we even know anything about the extent or nature of the changes they did? I only know that they experimented with the suspension with Perez during the sprint.
After qualy Max said something about they "made some tweaks" so kind of downplaying the extent of the setup work. But then someone from Red Bull team (I don't remember who) said that they completely changed the whole setup.

Either way, they significantly improved both qualy and race pace.
But it is not sure if they found something new, or maybe this was their standard form on this track and they just underachieved at the sprint with suboptimal setup.

Erik van Haren said they dropped the ride height by 3mm between sprint and qualifying for max, amongst other changes.

Thanks for the info. However, that's not really a revolutional change, rather sounds like they were a bit conservative for the sprint.
Unless they found something that allows them to run lower than before. Which would be a game changer, but I guess this is the less likely scenario.

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Do you think there was an "aha" moment for Red Bull this weekend in terms of setup? Something similar like Max had at Baku-2023? After both races he spoke similarly about learning few very interesting things.

Also do we even know anything about the extent or nature of the changes they did? I only know that they experimented with the suspension with Perez during the sprint.
After qualy Max said something about they "made some tweaks" so kind of downplaying the extent of the setup work. But then someone from Red Bull team (I don't remember who) said that they completely changed the whole setup.

Either way, they significantly improved both qualy and race pace.
But it is not sure if they found something new, or maybe this was their standard form on this track and they just underachieved at the sprint with suboptimal setup.

Erik van Haren said they dropped the ride height by 3mm between sprint and qualifying for max, amongst other changes.

Thanks for the info. However, that's not really a revolutional change, rather sounds like they were a bit conservative for the sprint.
Unless they found something that allows them to run lower than before. Which would be a game changer, but I guess this is the less likely scenario.

3mm is insane for ground effect. The 3 mm change in the static ride height causes additional lowering at speed (because there's even more downforce pushing the car down).

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What are the tire compounds for Abu Dhabi?

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Erik van Haren said they dropped the ride height by 3mm between sprint and qualifying for max, amongst other changes.

Thanks for the info. However, that's not really a revolutional change, rather sounds like they were a bit conservative for the sprint.
Unless they found something that allows them to run lower than before. Which would be a game changer, but I guess this is the less likely scenario.

3mm is insane for ground effect. The 3 mm change in the static ride height causes additional lowering at speed (because there's even more downforce pushing the car down).

Yeah, I did not mean the overall effect. We have seen that their pace improved massively.
I meant that lowering the car is kind of the aim all the time. It is not something that "ahh, how did we not think about this before!" kind of stuff. So it is not a new invention or idea.
Unless they found something that allows them to run lower than before. That would be revolutionary.

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Christian Horner on Perez: "He knows the pressures of this business, we're going to give him all the support we can until the chequered flag in Abu Dhabi. What he decides to do is going to be his decision"

He's gonna be here next year too. Looking forward to it.

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Christian Horner on Perez: "He knows the pressures of this business, we're going to give him all the support we can until the chequered flag in Abu Dhabi. What he decides to do is going to be his decision"

He's gonna be here next year too. Looking forward to it.

FFS..
2025 is guaranteed to be a dogfight from race #1.
Doesn't make sense going into a boxing match with one hand tied behind the back.

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