2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[chrisc90]

Driver is 100% responsible for their ‘conduct’ on track. Yes it’s nice for the engineer to point it out, but you can’t blame the engineer when the ultimate responsibility comes down to the driver.

GP didn’t tell max there were yellows. max spotted them himself and lifted.

[Watto]

At the end of the day I do agree its the driver at fault. But I think thier is an element sometimes their engineer for backup incase as they have a bit of a winder view/


While nice in principal I don't know I really like Strellas idea of penalty to fit the crime. It only imo would add to the inconsistency one gets 5 seconds another 10 for almost identical incidents with some very technical reason as to why.

I think the penalty was harsh but it was in line with other double waved yellow incidents.

Lando seemed clueless to exactly what and where but seemed to accept the rules too (lift under double waved yellows)

I would prefer to see more black and white penalties than 'random reasons why someone got a more or less hard penalties - that I admit they can always defend as correct by their rules.

[PapayaFan481]

Stella commenting on probably what we are all feeling.
A lot of laptime needs to be found over the winter to be in the 2025 championship fights.

McLaren need to ‘raise’ the bar’
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mclar ... /10678213/

Not so sure how much laptime there is to gain with these cars. Widening the working window is probably a bigger goal in general as it seems very easy to fall into traps with respect to car development.

I agree.

We've seen more than once team struggling to add additional downforce without hitting porpoising again or a knife-edge setup.

I feel that the most successful car next season will be the car with the widest setup window and best drivability, not necessarily the outright highest downforce levels or fastest peak pace.

Next year could be an absolute classic.

Have we heard anything regarding when McLaren switched their focus to the 25 car?

Presumably next season will be one with limited development for all teams as they will want to maximise the resources they can allocate to the 26 car.

[PapayaFan481]

Stella commenting on probably what we are all feeling.
A lot of laptime needs to be found over the winter to be in the 2025 championship fights.

McLaren need to ‘raise’ the bar’
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mclar ... /10678213/

Not so sure how much laptime there is to gain with these cars. Widening the working window is probably a bigger goal in general as it seems very easy to fall into traps with respect to car development.

I agree.

We've seen more than once team struggling to add additional downforce without hitting porpoising again or a knife-edge setup.

I feel that the most successful car next season will be the car with the widest setup window and best drivability, not necessarily the outright highest downforce levels or fastest peak pace.

Next year could be an absolute classic.

Have we heard anything regarding when McLaren switched their focus to the 25 car?

Presumably next season will be one with limited development for all teams as they will want to maximise the resources they can allocate to the 26 car. (Which is why I think Red Bull are happy finishing 3rd in WCC)

[FittingMechanics]

Question to people who listen to the radios. Did McLaren warn Norris or Piastri about the double yellows? Ferrari warned both of their drivers it was coming. If McLaren didn't tell Norris, that seems like a huge oversight and mistake on their part. The drivers are focused on driving and the objects in their peripheral vision such as flags are easily missable.

I don't know if Norris can be entirely blamed for not even realizing the double yellows were out if he wasn't warned and they only appeared for a few seconds. Of course a penalty is still warranted because he did breach the rules, but this might also fall on the team.

VER and NOR were first through the flag and weren't warned. NOR engineer was talking about increasing pace to VER so probably missed it.

Others behind were warned.

[Dimond]

Y'all are almost certainly still gonna win the WCC, so good lord. smh

After being a McLaren fan for a quarter of a century, I can confidently say McLaren is going to lose the title this year. I've seen all this before. Sorry for the pessimism.

[_cerber1]

Can we use Brazil's rear wing in Abu Dhabi?

[CjC]

Can we use Brazil's rear wing in Abu Dhabi?

I hope so, it could be worth at least one of them running it in FP1

[CjC]

Y'all are almost certainly still gonna win the WCC, so good lord. smh

After being a McLaren fan for a quarter of a century, I can confidently say McLaren is going to lose the title this year. I've seen all this before. Sorry for the pessimism.

You have the same amount of miles as me, unfortunately I share your opinion

[yooogurt]

I don't know if Norris can be entirely blamed for not even realizing the double yellows were out if he wasn't warned and they only appeared for a few seconds. Of course a penalty is still warranted because he did breach the rules, but this might also fall on the team.

No one warned Max either, but he spotted them. And remember the Bianchi episode, not reducing speed under double yellows can end very badly.

[FittingMechanics]

I am still optimistic about WCC. 21 points is not a small margin. Max and Russel could also play a big role (positive or negative for McLaren).

But let's look on the positive side, if we end up second in WCC we get more development time next year and before the start of the season, we all would have signed up to have a season like this (even with ending up P2).

[Espresso]

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While nice in principal I don't know I really like Strellas idea of penalty to fit the crime. I....

Sorry. We´ve seen Stella´s principle through his public comments. In line with MBS decision making. Be biased. Tap on the fingers for MCL. And maximum penalty for the other teams. And if convenient just invent a penalty for the competition....
Prefer ZAK. Blunt, straight but fair.

[Farnborough]

I am still optimistic about WCC. 21 points is not a small margin. Max and Russel could also play a big role (positive or negative for McLaren).

But let's look on the positive side, if we end up second in WCC we get more development time next year and before the start of the season, we all would have signed up to have a season like this (even with ending up P2).

I feel there's good and realistic possibility of coming out as WCC holders from this. Still quite a few points difference for Ferrari to overturn in one race.

Both of these teams have developed and raced well this season, inevitable lower points in performance at different times, but with them also showing they can understand and action their skills, thinking and application to bring themselves back up into valid contention.

There's no disgrace here, they've both "reformed" from performance in recent years, learning alot about themselves as they move through this. It's been a good battle between the two, with a nail biter still to come.

Both now, emphatically, know how they have got to focus so much on starting next year if they are to contend the WDC too.

We've seen some excellent racing this year, either team will be the right location whichever wins this Constructors title.

[organic]

From a fan perspective the sliding scale of development gives a nice consolation so whatever happens isn't so bad. But the advantage is squarely with McLaren. 21 points is a lot to lose in one weekend. It'd require a Ferrari 1-2 I expect

[basti313]

From a fan perspective the sliding scale of development gives a nice consolation so whatever happens isn't so bad. But the advantage is squarely with McLaren. 21 points is a lot to lose in one weekend. It'd require a Ferrari 1-2 I expect

Well, that is the interesting point: If Ferrari has the faster car, they are not likely to fumble a 1-2 (like McLaren).
That means they need a P3, so I am looking forward to a nail biting finish, maybe some nice late thrown SC.

But I fear, McLaren is just fast and Ferrari not fast enough.