2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[GrizzleBoy]

Ah, sorry. I thought you were arguing in good faith.

Have a great evening.

[Jurgen von Diaz]

Ah, sorry. I thought you were arguing in good faith.

Have a great evening.

I thought so too. Like I said, everything that happens to George is normal, but help me God, if something is wrong with Lewis. He has built this victim's temple around him this year. Ocon had no pit crew in Vegas when he pitted. No one cared or shouted conspiracy.

[venkyhere]

I’ve noticed HAM mention health in a few post race interviews saying that he is grateful for it, or something along those lines. Has he always been like that or this is something recent?

He is just playing the 'disconsolate victim of evil mercedes' who didn't make a car to his liking and are forcing him to drive it for them. He knows sympathy goes a long way in keeping his fanbase loyal, because those 'die hard followers' is the 'capital' he is carrying into Ferrari. Elkann just wants 'brand Hamilton' to boost sales of expensive super/hyper cars and Ferrari branded apparel and other paraphernelia.
The long face and sad dialogues, carefully sprayed with words like 'gratitude' , 'been together for years' etc etc are peak PR activity. He is paid to do a job, to drive the car to collect points for the team. Sulking like a 10 yr old spoilt child is unprofessional. As if he is the only driver to ever leave an F1 team or the only person who has had a car that doesn't suit his driving.

[CHT]

Merc refusal to allow LH to join Ferrari for post season testing at AD is a big set back for LH. Without the test on track it will be hard to get a good feel of exiting Ferrari and Charles set up.

[AR3-GP]

Sergio Perez has struggled much more than Lewis Hamilton in these last few seasons. The darkest times of his career. Never once did Sergio Perez say "Park the car mate" no matter how poor his running position.

Are we supposed to believe that Sergio Perez is tougher than Lewis Hamilton? Maybe he is. Regardless, we need to put things into perspective. I do not seek to attack Lewis Hamilton but if Sergio Perez can raise his head every GP weekend and refuse to give up, then so can a 7x WDC who won 2 GPs this year.

Hamilton is a near 40 year old man and he's acting like a child. It's not correct and even his biggest supporters know that. The tifosi will be utterly merciless towards such weakness so he needs to get his head back in the game.

[ToffeeTyres]

Mercedes have simply turned their back on Hamilton when it was announced he was leaving. They put full focus on Russell gave him everything as he will be the number one driver going forward it’s that simple. So Lewis had no help left frustrated and is only human in how he is feeling. The car won’t be updated or made to suit his driving style that will be for George. Any team meetings on update or gains on track that the car can make with set up etc etc. it’s how it goes when you leave. People saying age is why Lewis has been rubbish this year. I very much doubt that, it’s the car, he’s never been comfortable no confidence or trust in it and when he does it snaps on him it’s so unpredictable and he isn’t liking it. If a driver has no feel in the car and can’t drive it naturally they will always suffer even more so when the team no longer gives you information or backing because you are leaving them and feel like they’ve been stabbed in the back

[Luscion]

Merc refusal to allow LH to join Ferrari for post season testing at AD is a big set back for LH. Without the test on track it will be hard to get a good feel of exiting Ferrari and Charles set up.

not to get too into the ferrari stuff next year but he'll start driving for them in January at their own track in either the SF75 or SF23, both Lewis and Merc didnt want to do the tests in AD, plus Merc are doing a whole bunch of farewell stuff for him and obligations to sponsors

[ToffeeTyres]

Sergio Perez has struggled much more than Lewis Hamilton in these last few seasons. The darkest times of his career. Never once did Sergio Perez say "Park the car mate" no matter how poor his running position.

Are we supposed to believe that Sergio Perez is tougher than Lewis Hamilton? Maybe he is. Regardless, we need to put things into perspective. I do not seek to attack Lewis Hamilton but if Sergio Perez can raise his head every GP weekend and refuse to give up, then so can a 7x WDC who won 2 GPs this year.

Hamilton is a near 40 year old man and he's acting like a child. It's not correct and even his biggest supporters know that.

You just sound pathetic. Can’t you see Lewis was frustrated was right at the back of the field with a damaged car after the puncture he was just wanting to save the engine and at that moment in time with frustration he felt there was no real point that was how he was feeling. Any driver would.

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Again Russell burns his tyres out and pits too early. I mean beating a checked out Hamilton is one thing, but Russell has to improve his pace management if he wants to challenge Max next year.

He's just being insolent this season imo. Trying to establish himself but doing the opposite

[AR3-GP]

Sergio Perez has struggled much more than Lewis Hamilton in these last few seasons. The darkest times of his career. Never once did Sergio Perez say "Park the car mate" no matter how poor his running position.

Are we supposed to believe that Sergio Perez is tougher than Lewis Hamilton? Maybe he is. Regardless, we need to put things into perspective. I do not seek to attack Lewis Hamilton but if Sergio Perez can raise his head every GP weekend and refuse to give up, then so can a 7x WDC who won 2 GPs this year.

Hamilton is a near 40 year old man and he's acting like a child. It's not correct and even his biggest supporters know that.

You just sound pathetic. Can’t you see Lewis was frustrated was right at the back of the field with a damaged car after the puncture he was just wanting to save the engine and at that moment in time with frustration he felt there was no real point that was how he was feeling. Any driver would.

We may be nobodies compared to a man who achieved 7 WDC in Formula One, but that does not mean that we cannot make observations. Hamilton is unrecognizable now. The mentality that he showed in Qatar is not one of someone who won 7 WDC. It would have been impossible. Hamilton has had "disappointing" races before. It is only in recent times where he just throws in the towel at the slightest inconvenience. He was not like this before.

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Sergio Perez has struggled much more than Lewis Hamilton in these last few seasons. The darkest times of his career. Never once did Sergio Perez say "Park the car mate" no matter how poor his running position.

Are we supposed to believe that Sergio Perez is tougher than Lewis Hamilton? Maybe he is. Regardless, we need to put things into perspective. I do not seek to attack Lewis Hamilton but if Sergio Perez can raise his head every GP weekend and refuse to give up, then so can a 7x WDC who won 2 GPs this year.

Hamilton is a near 40 year old man and he's acting like a child. It's not correct and even his biggest supporters know that.

You just sound pathetic. Can’t you see Lewis was frustrated was right at the back of the field with a damaged car after the puncture he was just wanting to save the engine and at that moment in time with frustration he felt there was no real point that was how he was feeling. Any driver would.

We may be nobodies compared to a man who achieved 7 WDC in Formula One, but that does not mean that we cannot make observations. Hamilton is unrecognizable now. The mentality that he showed in Qatar is not one of someone who won 7 WDC. It would have been impossible. Hamilton has had "disappointing" races before. It is only in recent times where he just throws in the towel at the slightest inconvenience. He was not like this before.

I don't agree. Look at Hamilton Barcelona 2022 - this is shortly after winning the title - less than 6 months later.. he did not lose the mentality. Or it happened the instant he hit 7 titles

[AR3-GP]

You just sound pathetic. Can’t you see Lewis was frustrated was right at the back of the field with a damaged car after the puncture he was just wanting to save the engine and at that moment in time with frustration he felt there was no real point that was how he was feeling. Any driver would.

We may be nobodies compared to a man who achieved 7 WDC in Formula One, but that does not mean that we cannot make observations. Hamilton is unrecognizable now. The mentality that he showed in Qatar is not one of someone who won 7 WDC. It would have been impossible. Hamilton has had "disappointing" races before. It is only in recent times where he just throws in the towel at the slightest inconvenience. He was not like this before.

I don't agree. Look at Hamilton Barcelona 2022 - this is shortly after winning the title - less than 6 months later.. he did not lose the mentality. Or it happened the instant he hit 7 titles

Barcelona 2022 was a blip compared to an attitude that he carries with alarming regularity right now. The post-session interviews are bizarre. I'm not saying drivers are not allowed to struggle but Hamilton has had bad races and bad patches before and never done interviews like this afterwards...This is something else entirely and it feels entirely self-inflicted. To me it looks like he's wallowing in self-pity.

No one really thinks Hamilton is half a second off the pace of Russell over a lap, even if he's approaching 40. This is someone refusing to move past the slightest inconvenience (of the car) and just wallowing in self-pity instead. Exaggerated driving inputs are destabilizing the car, but he is feeding the inputs to support his criticisms of the car rather than making an effort to compensate as Russell does. That is someone who is wallowing.

All of this is self-inflicted and that's why he will bounce back at Ferrari, but it is not because Mercedes treated him unfairly or because they gave him a worse car. It is because moving to Ferrari is the only thing that will break the cycle of self-pity that he is inflicting on himself.

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We may be nobodies compared to a man who achieved 7 WDC in Formula One, but that does not mean that we cannot make observations. Hamilton is unrecognizable now. The mentality that he showed in Qatar is not one of someone who won 7 WDC. It would have been impossible. Hamilton has had "disappointing" races before. It is only in recent times where he just throws in the towel at the slightest inconvenience. He was not like this before.

I don't agree. Look at Hamilton Barcelona 2022 - this is shortly after winning the title - less than 6 months later.. he did not lose the mentality. Or it happened the instant he hit 7 titles

Barcelona 2022 was a blip compared to an attitude that he carries with alarming regularity right now. The post-session interviews are bizarre. I'm not saying drivers are not allowed to struggle but Hamilton has had bad races and bad patches before and never done interviews like this afterwards...This is something else entirely and it feels entirely self-inflicted. To me it looks like he's wallowing in self-pity.

No one really thinks Hamilton is half a second off the pace of Russell over a lap, even if he's approaching 40. This is someone refusing to move past the slightest inconvenience (of the car) and just wallowing in self-pity instead. Exaggerated driving inputs are destabilizing the car, but he is feeding the inputs to support his criticisms of the car rather than making an effort to compensate as Russell does. That is someone who is wallowing.

All of this is self-inflicted and that's why he will bounce back at Ferrari, but it is not because Mercedes treated him unfairly or because they gave him a worse car. It is because moving to Ferrari is the only thing that will break the cycle of self-pity that he is inflicting on himself.

If he does it with Leclerc then we can state that it was a conclusive change in attitude

But for the moment it isn't. He has fluctuated a lot alongside Russell. He's been competitive and he's been not competitive at various times

*In terms of attitude as well. For 10 race stretches he will act normally and then it goes to ---

[CHT]

Merc refusal to allow LH to join Ferrari for post season testing at AD is a big set back for LH. Without the test on track it will be hard to get a good feel of exiting Ferrari and Charles set up.

not to get too into the ferrari stuff next year but he'll start driving for them in January at their own track in either the SF75 or SF23, both Lewis and Merc didnt want to do the tests in AD, plus Merc are doing a whole bunch of farewell stuff for him and obligations to sponsors

IMO all that farewell events are purposely created by Merc to making it harder and more painful for Lewis's departure to Ferrari. On surface, Toto may have a good relationship with LH, but other Merc shareholders may not sure the same enthusiasm. Especially INEOS buying into Merc at its peak and then got hit by the news that LH is leaving for Ferrari shortly after signing a new contract.

I read that LH biggest struggle is his ability to adapt to the new era of F1 cars and it will be a big advantage for him to get a feel of 2024 Ferrari at Abu Dhabi and collect as much track data to compare against Charles and Sainz.
I believe LH's first few races at Ferrari may make or break his Ferrari career due to the pressure and expectation on his shoulders. If he continues to struggle like 2024, it will be torturous for him mentally and physically to continue.

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Merc refusal to allow LH to join Ferrari for post season testing at AD is a big set back for LH. Without the test on track it will be hard to get a good feel of exiting Ferrari and Charles set up.

not to get too into the ferrari stuff next year but he'll start driving for them in January at their own track in either the SF75 or SF23, both Lewis and Merc didnt want to do the tests in AD, plus Merc are doing a whole bunch of farewell stuff for him and obligations to sponsors

IMO all that farewell events are purposely created by Merc to making it harder and more painful for Lewis's departure to Ferrari. On surface, Toto may have a good relationship with LH, but other Merc shareholders may not sure the same enthusiasm. Especially INEOS buying into Merc at its peak and then got hit by the news that LH is leaving for Ferrari shortly after signing a new contract.

No it's created for Merc to cash in on the credit that they've gained by Lewis being there. It's them using the brand of Hamilton